There are plenty of leftists that are so poison pilled as to simply side with whomever is against the West, without ever doing any sort of critical thought. Which is in poor form, of course, but even leftists can be pulled into treating politics as a sport.
But your account is also like 20 mins old and I'm having a hard time believing you're actually posting this in good faith.
I was accused literally of the same thing even though what I said was basically what Varoufakis was saying yesterday or Chomsky last week, and they are hardly "tankies"....
radlib friends irl are saying "now is not the time to criticize the west" and it's "sus" that I want to criticize NATO this exact week,
and then minutes later they:
cheer on dead Russian soldiers
want Russia bombed
clapping for random bri*ish people volunteering for UKR, and hoping they kill as many Russians as they can
While what I'm saying is that cold war 2.0 led to this, and the west bears a good chunk of the blame, and we should hope for peace and a quick resolution of the conflict..
But I'm the "tankie living in a distorted anti-west bubble, who supports Putin", fuckin annoying that everyone's a geopolitical expert now
There was a meme the other day comparing Moscow and Kiev and the creators/people who first shared it clearly didn't understand that that isn't a dunk on Putin and in fact he agrees with it. My initial reaction to this was the same(inverted in this case), Ukraine has history, including with the USSR, it is silly to pretend it doesn't is my take from that image.
Now if the creators think that this is a point in favor of Putin's view then IDK seems exactly the same situation as with the other meme.
Don’t know that this is a defense of putin by any stretch. Obviously you can’t annex Kiev. But if you are trying to analyze what putin is thinking (he’s fucking crazy, let’s be honest) this is useful to know
I dunno I take issue with Putin being "crazy" I think he's quite sane but he just wants power and shit, as we see him trying to scoop up more territory and make more of a bulwark against NATO. Not defending him btw, he sucks.
I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong to also question Putin’s sanity in all of this, although that’s obviously a small factor in a long list of historical material causes for this.
He’s getting old, and allegedly has had some health scares recently. He’s also apparently suuuuper afraid of covid (rightfully so) and has been very isolated for the last two years, and that kind of isolation can certainly fuck with your head after a while.
Conspiracy time: putin is terminally ill, has 12-18 months. Not that it is making him act irrationally, but he might be thinking about things from an end of history (his history) and reputation perspective.
Agreed, putting this all as “That crazy Putin!” is very stupid and ignores like 90% of why this is happening. But, the mental state of a leader is still a factor to take into consideration, in the same way we take Biden’s obvious cognitive decline into account.
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There are plenty of leftists that are so poison pilled as to simply side with whomever is against the West, without ever doing any sort of critical thought. Which is in poor form, of course, but even leftists can be pulled into treating politics as a sport.
But your account is also like 20 mins old and I'm having a hard time believing you're actually posting this in good faith.
I've been quietly reading on Hexbear since chapo got banned, but I couldn't ignore what I was seeing anymore.
Got banned from Genzedong for pointing this out too lol.
I agree genzedong has actually gone off the deep end. Hexbear's take has been much more measured imo
Yeah GenZedong has always been pretty bad about this
I was accused literally of the same thing even though what I said was basically what Varoufakis was saying yesterday or Chomsky last week, and they are hardly "tankies"....
radlib friends irl are saying "now is not the time to criticize the west" and it's "sus" that I want to criticize NATO this exact week,
and then minutes later they:
While what I'm saying is that cold war 2.0 led to this, and the west bears a good chunk of the blame, and we should hope for peace and a quick resolution of the conflict.. But I'm the "tankie living in a distorted anti-west bubble, who supports Putin", fuckin annoying that everyone's a geopolitical expert now
Source or post hog
Literally this entire thread.
Lol, no.
Not OP but I think this one might count: https://hexbear.net/post/176702
Fascism is when history.
Fascism? I didn't mention fascism.
But continuing to post poor analyses despite having been criticized before for it could qualify as carrying water for national chauvinists.
There was a meme the other day comparing Moscow and Kiev and the creators/people who first shared it clearly didn't understand that that isn't a dunk on Putin and in fact he agrees with it. My initial reaction to this was the same(inverted in this case), Ukraine has history, including with the USSR, it is silly to pretend it doesn't is my take from that image.
Now if the creators think that this is a point in favor of Putin's view then IDK seems exactly the same situation as with the other meme.
Don’t know that this is a defense of putin by any stretch. Obviously you can’t annex Kiev. But if you are trying to analyze what putin is thinking (he’s fucking crazy, let’s be honest) this is useful to know
I dunno I take issue with Putin being "crazy" I think he's quite sane but he just wants power and shit, as we see him trying to scoop up more territory and make more of a bulwark against NATO. Not defending him btw, he sucks.
I mean crazy ideologically. He’s a nuanced character, that’s for sure.
Oh yeah for sure. His ideology is a toxic mess, that much is for sure.
I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong to also question Putin’s sanity in all of this, although that’s obviously a small factor in a long list of historical material causes for this.
He’s getting old, and allegedly has had some health scares recently. He’s also apparently suuuuper afraid of covid (rightfully so) and has been very isolated for the last two years, and that kind of isolation can certainly fuck with your head after a while.
Conspiracy time: putin is terminally ill, has 12-18 months. Not that it is making him act irrationally, but he might be thinking about things from an end of history (his history) and reputation perspective.
Just an interesting thought exercise
Oooh that’d be a real interesting thing to find out at the end of this
I really don't know, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, you know. But just kneejerking to him being crazy I think is a poor analysis.
Agreed, putting this all as “That crazy Putin!” is very stupid and ignores like 90% of why this is happening. But, the mental state of a leader is still a factor to take into consideration, in the same way we take Biden’s obvious cognitive decline into account.
Don’t you understand that Putin’s mom didn’t breastfeed him? That’s the problem here
Yeah, it should be a factor and not the end all be all.
True, it very much can be helpful in the context of understanding Russian national chauvinism.
To be fully honest, I didn't take that to be the intent of the post since it wasn't explicitly framed that way and I've been quite critical of the analysis /u/Alaskaball has done of Ukraine in the past.
Saw that when looking through your first link. Good post.
There's a lot of people parroting straight up Russian propaganda, like videos direct from the Russian military giving POWs cigarettes
They just want the ussr back so playing as Tachanka in rainbow6 and this is the only way to get it