Functionally there is no difference - acting like a cop by accident is still acting like a cop. Tread carefully and try to steer things in the right direction
In that case, there is in fact a functional difference. A wrecker operates from a bad faith position, they have no potential to play a part in productive processes within a party. Someone who is ideologically misguided or socially awkward is not operating from a bad faith position, they want to be a part of the movement and contribute positively, but presently cannot do so because they are not well integrated to socialist values; on some level this is going to be a problem with all newcomers to serious socialist organizing. All of us suffer the consequences of alienation under capitalism. Getting people on the same page is like 90% of the struggle for bringing about class consciousness, there’s no getting around the difficult social work that has to be put in.
Also, if these people are members of other organizations you're familiar with you might want to cross reference your experiences with members of other organizations. I was in an org a while back where we found out that a small group of individuals were basically going from org to org wrecking shit and also doing this in other cities.
Obviously snitchjacketing is wack and you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about people's intentions, but when people repeat patterns like this from org to org it's definitely not a good sign. Again regardless of intention or purpose they're still fucking things up so they may as well be cops.
Also people need to have room to grow and learn. In the best case scenario that someone is just awkward / uninformed, if they're willing to learn and be better that's great. If they just want to argue and be little shits then...yeah, not someone anyone wants in their org and you likely wouldnt be the only person to have that opinion
Sort of a lot of awkward thoughts here but hopefully it makes sense, idk
Functionally there is no difference - acting like a cop by accident is still acting like a cop. Tread carefully and try to steer things in the right direction
In that case, there is in fact a functional difference. A wrecker operates from a bad faith position, they have no potential to play a part in productive processes within a party. Someone who is ideologically misguided or socially awkward is not operating from a bad faith position, they want to be a part of the movement and contribute positively, but presently cannot do so because they are not well integrated to socialist values; on some level this is going to be a problem with all newcomers to serious socialist organizing. All of us suffer the consequences of alienation under capitalism. Getting people on the same page is like 90% of the struggle for bringing about class consciousness, there’s no getting around the difficult social work that has to be put in.
this is why many orgs have required lessons + education before they grant full membership.
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This is a very important point. Disruption is disruption. It's not productive regardless of the identity or intention of the individual.
Also, if these people are members of other organizations you're familiar with you might want to cross reference your experiences with members of other organizations. I was in an org a while back where we found out that a small group of individuals were basically going from org to org wrecking shit and also doing this in other cities.
Obviously snitchjacketing is wack and you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about people's intentions, but when people repeat patterns like this from org to org it's definitely not a good sign. Again regardless of intention or purpose they're still fucking things up so they may as well be cops.
Also people need to have room to grow and learn. In the best case scenario that someone is just awkward / uninformed, if they're willing to learn and be better that's great. If they just want to argue and be little shits then...yeah, not someone anyone wants in their org and you likely wouldnt be the only person to have that opinion
Sort of a lot of awkward thoughts here but hopefully it makes sense, idk
Good advice. Thanks.