One of the easiest ways to strengthen a community against attacks is to shine a spotlight on the behaviors shown by people attempting to sabotage it. This is done by labor organizers in real life to strengthen a group of workers against union busting, for instance.

The term often used for this is “inoculation”. Similar to being vaccinated once you are aware of an attacker, the effectiveness of their behavior decreases.

So Hexbear comrades, what patterns have you noticed in wreckers, trolls, and feds? Comment in the thread and I’ll update this post to include your feedback.

Terminology

Troll

:troll:

Standard internet bog person. Not particularly clever or inventive. 4chan-tier. Nothing in their brain but slurs.

Wrecker

:silver-legion:

Typically fixated on the site, repeat and/or sustained activity. (Eg Pumpkin Spice Flintstone guy). Might be a reference to an old USSR term for saboteurs in the party?

Fed

:fedposting:

Rare (?). Tries to encourage illegal behavior. Bad at it. Often doing it just to see who corrects them and in what ways.

Patterns I’ve noticed

General

:cissues:

  • new account with slightly “off takes” that gradually becomes increasingly aggressive

  • “just asking questions”

  • “innocently” brings up incredibly specific past struggle sessions

  • tries to position obvious shitposts as sincerely held opinions that somehow reflect poorly on the site (eg “everyone loves hunter biden”)

  • attempts to take other user’s sentences out of context and spin it into an argument

Wrecker Types

Fresh Accounts without History (FAWH)

:amogus:

These are accounts created in the last few weeks with little to no activity FAWHs indicate ban avoidance, shell propaganda accounts, and/or a desire to hide a pointed agenda. Identify and counter this by checking post histories.

Defrosted FAWHs

:corporate-art:

These accounts behave similarly to FAWHs but show a much older registration date combined with long periods of low activity, reflecting history editing or dormancy. They will occasionally only have comments at or around the time of struggle sessions. Identify and counter this behavior by checking post histories.

Drive-by Accounts

:stupidpol:

These accounts post bigoted or inflammatory comments in active threads then delete/edit their comments a day or two after the submission dies to obscure the pattern of their activity.

This is hard to spot unless you check back in with your suspected trolls or seek them out by reviewing. If you catch them in the act it's hugely indicative of subversive intent.

Identify and negate this by monitoring suspected trolls for post deletion and reporting before they are deleted. Also quoting especially aggressive replies so they can’t edit it away.

I’ll update this based on other’s comments. Viva la Hexbear!

:hexbear-retro:

  • Kanna [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Considering how readily the website bans people even with long histories, taking no intermediate steps between “silently removing comments hours later” and “banned”, it’s no wonder you get people with new-ish accounts and negative opinions on the assumptions people make for the sake of community discipline.

    Lol what are you talking about? Just thinking of the two long time users that were banned most recently, they had a very long history (well over a year) of saying either misogynistic or overly aggressive things without being banned. That really doesn't match up to the experiences you're describing here. I think most people knew the most recent dude was likely to pop off if you so much as suggested he do something differently

      • Kanna [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        PootrKrobuttkin is the most recent banned person I think? But what I said could be used to describe both Pootr and Z-Poster, since they were needlessly aggro all the time

        For clarity, I meant Pootr and Skoubalon in my post. I don't remember Z-Poster being misogynistic

        • DumpsterDive [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Since I made this account to get the other post deleted, I'll do a "fuck it, mask off" and disclose being Skoubalon.

          Regarding the other two (tangential)

          I took a small break from the site and missed Pootr flaming out, though I accidentally seem to have incited it on a proximate level. I don't remember Pootr well outside of their discussions with me (where they were kind) and, looking up some relevant threads and trying to piece together what actually happened and what they actually said is confusing.

          Z was never misogynistic to my knowledge, I assumed you meant them for angry one and Pootr for the misogynist since they flamed out after me and people called me a misogynist. All this to say, I basically can't weigh in on negatives of the specific histories of people who were not me.

          Anyway, the reason I ask is because you talk about me having a "long history" of such and such, and that would actually be a good reason if that was a disciplinary history, i.e. a bunch of times where the mods told me to act otherwise and I repeatedly regressed. That's not what happened. What happened was various comments and one or two posts were deleted after the fact and I didn't know about almost any of it until after I was banned. You can create a story for yourself about personal history proving I should be booted, but really I think it shows that I was acting in good faith rather than just some mask-wearing shit who occasionally went mask-off.

          What I am contending, not to get that account back (I think I was able to delete it), but as a point of contention about how the site is moderated is that, if a user does shit that merits mod interference, you should actually let them know and maybe even discuss it with them instead of just letting it fly under the radar until you decide it's enough to ban them over, because that's essentially applying every infraction retroactively. Does that make sense?

          It would also have the side effect of making legitimate disagreement slightly more possible.

          Edit: i see the irony in my two uses of "mask-off". To clarify, the first refers to literal identity and the second refers to ideology. I try to be transparent, or at least honest, about my ideological leanings.

          • Kanna [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            Oh hello lol

            Regarding the other two

            I think it would be tough to find what Pootr was saying before getting banned now. I'm pretty sure his old account was deleted and his alts mostly got purged. I saw some of it live and it was just his usual getting very upset because he was criticized. I had nice interactions with him sometimes, but others were very toxic. I personally liked Z, it's too bad they couldn't chill out. I'm sad they were banned

            if a user does shit that merits mod interference, you should actually let them know

            I see what you're saying about reaching out when comments are removed. I think that's a reasonable thing to ask.

            Out of curiosity - the last comments you had removed were about abortion and shifting autonomy away from the person that's pregnant in certain circumstances. That's not good any time, but especially right after Roe was overturned seems especially shitty. How would you like a conversation to play out with you about those removed comments? That might be good feedback since it addresses a specific, recent situation

            • DumpsterDive [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              I know you don't mean it this way, but it feels like :bait: . I've been trying to not relitigate the specific issue despite talking about how it was moderated.

              Basically, I was annoyed at people using liberal reasoning and decided to go complain about it on c/strugglesession because that's where people go to have arguments on topics that people feel strongly about, right? Fuckin' whoops. Maybe just a "Hey, actually the thing you consider liberal reasoning is also a dogma of the website, so comply or get banned, okay?" from a mod and then they ban me when I keep arguing. That'd be fair enough from a transparency standpoint, whatever I may think of it ideologically.

              • Kanna [she/her]
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                3 years ago

                But you can't have it both ways. You want to talk about how it's moderated, but the context of what you said does matter. It's not bait to say that. You downplayed pregnant people's full autonomy and that can't be separated from what happened after you said that

                If you wanted a mod to reach out during that, I think that sounds reasonable

                • DumpsterDive [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  Did I not just "have it both ways"? It seems to me that I can just not speak on the issue itself and completely ignore your objections to what I said and things are just fine, based on your last sentence.

                  • Kanna [she/her]
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                    3 years ago

                    You didn't. You're trying to downplay what you said and divert attention away from it as "a difference of opinions." Bodily autonomy is not a difference of opinions. It's clever to say my comment was bait in the hopes of shifting the conversation away from what you said, but I'm not gonna let go of that.

              • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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                3 years ago

                they don’t let people debate transphobia on this site, why would they let dudes debate abortion?

                • DumpsterDive [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  There's a difference between listening to lived experiences and fully embracing standpoint epistemology.

                  • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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                    3 years ago

                    There’s a difference between listening to lived experiences and fully embracing standpoint epistemology.

                    I’ll make this easy so we don’t need to have a meta conversation about episcopalians or whatever.

                    Q1 - do you believe people have the right to an abortion?

                    Q2 - do you believe people have the right to define their own gender(s)?

          • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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            3 years ago

            missed Pootr flaming out, though I accidentally seem to have incited it on a proximate level. I don’t remember Pootr well outside of their discussions with me (where they were kind) and, looking up some relevant threads and trying to piece together what actually happened and what they actually said is confusing.

            Cracker meltdown about racism vs prejudice, started talking about race wars and shit

            • DumpsterDive [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              I've seen a couple of people saying that, but I've also seen how people have radically mischaracterized what I have said, and I haven't seen quotes from them, so . . . It's hard for me to just believe that on faith.

              • ShittyWallpaper [they/them]
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                3 years ago

                It was on a separate account, but it was indeed unfortunately reactionary. I hadn’t seen that from Pootr before and was surprised. @Awoo seemed to think that they were having some kind of crisis and were acting out. It wasn’t appropriate regardless, but was still upsetting to watch

                • UlyssesT
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                  3 months ago

                  deleted by creator

                • Awoo [she/her]
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                  3 years ago

                  @Awoo seemed to think that they were having some kind of crisis and were acting out

                  There's :brainworms: and then there's that shitshow. I feel like it's pretty clear something extra was going on when everyone talks about it as a "meltdown" for someone we saw as rather stable for over 2 years.

          • ShittyWallpaper [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            This was your original contention as well, yeah? Not the ban, but the lack of notification. I think the reason for this is a mix of technological and a holdover from when launch-time wreckers were manipulating screenshots of conversations with mods. But I agree that the lack of notification isn’t ideal and would be a good idea for the mod team to review if they haven’t already

            • DumpsterDive [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              Yeah, I made this account to make a thread on that subject. idk, back when I was part of the mod team it was a normal practice to do things like "temp bans" and banning an established user without any sort of intermediary steps was frowned upon.

                • Kanna [she/her]
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                  3 years ago

                  Not yet. Carcosa just recently posted about it

                • DumpsterDive [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  At the time, the practice was to ban someone and indicate that the ban was to be lifted in however-many days. Typically both in the ban message and the mod chat, so another mod could handle it if you happened to not be on that day or something.

                  Obviously there are some issues there with elegance, but I just wanted to mention it as an example of something that's possible that isn't the current paradigm.