China not doing that is why the country is so prosperous right now. They took all that military spending other countries burn, and spent it on infrastructure. IF they ever go apewire, they’re waiting for the West to deeply embarrass itself in a conflict elsewhere- to prove that the Anglosphere has deflated a long while ago. Never interrupt your opponent while they’re making a mistake.
american media and 'national security' apparatuses can only really influence how americans perceive China - they've only got testimony and text to work with
give the george bush center for intellegence a smoking gun and that can quickly change
I recognize that you’re right, but it’s cold comfort being in the rapidly collapsing US, looking at the current bulwark of socialism in the world and basically screaming “Please help us!” to no avail.
Outside forces throwing excessive funding to leftist groups in the US is one of the only ways this collapse doesn’t end up as the 4th Reich.
Yeah pretty much. Look how quickly your average US liberal jumped on the Russophobic bandwagon. With China it would be even more bloodthirsty and jingoistic since it presents a real challenge to American hegemony.
Money is useful, but it doesn't win revolutions. Look at how much ammo is just sitting around this country. If things get hot, we'll be armed pretty quickly if we're smart.
I want China to use the same tactics that the CIA has successfully used to overthrow countries over and over again to help get us out of this hell, and help other countries get out of their hells too.
CIA gets away with it because they're working against countries weaker in surveillance than they are or less likely to go nuclear. The US is neither compared to China.
The CIA doesn’t seem to have any trouble whipping up reactionary groups around the world wherever it wants. Where’s our Chinese CIA training leftist paramilitaries to stir up trouble in the imperial core and right wing dictatorships in the global south?
There needs to be SOME base for that movement to build on. We’ve barely gotten over the illusion of rugged individualism, we need to re-learn how to be a community before we can stand up for ourselves.
Maybe I’m very pessimistic about American society, but I truly do not believe that will happen without outside agitators showing us how to do it and giving vast support to the people that do.
Every institution in the United States is designed to break down community, destroy leftist and worker movements, and make sure even “leftists” eventually come back into the fold as quiet liberals. I don’t see that being overcome by the targets of those institutions without outside help or the complete collapse of the United States.
And if those movements and communities don’t already exist at the time of collapse we’re in deep deep fucking trouble.
China not doing that is why the country is so prosperous right now. They took all that military spending other countries burn, and spent it on infrastructure. IF they ever go apewire, they’re waiting for the West to deeply embarrass itself in a conflict elsewhere- to prove that the Anglosphere has deflated a long while ago. Never interrupt your opponent while they’re making a mistake.
Yeah, but still, well funded leftist militias in the imperial core would be cool
Also, which will prevail, the strongest shield or the mightiest arrow?
I’ve been slammed pretty hard by shields before.
:inshallah:
american media and 'national security' apparatuses can only really influence how americans perceive China - they've only got testimony and text to work with
give the george bush center for intellegence a smoking gun and that can quickly change
Dang it
I recognize that you’re right, but it’s cold comfort being in the rapidly collapsing US, looking at the current bulwark of socialism in the world and basically screaming “Please help us!” to no avail.
Outside forces throwing excessive funding to leftist groups in the US is one of the only ways this collapse doesn’t end up as the 4th Reich.
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The CIA doesn’t seem to have much trouble creating new reactionary groups to do their dirty work
reactionary work is much easier to do
We have to help ourselves first. No amount of money will do any good if it becomes the next justification for military escalation.
Yeah pretty much. Look how quickly your average US liberal jumped on the Russophobic bandwagon. With China it would be even more bloodthirsty and jingoistic since it presents a real challenge to American hegemony.
Money is useful, but it doesn't win revolutions. Look at how much ammo is just sitting around this country. If things get hot, we'll be armed pretty quickly if we're smart.
Sure but the CIA doesn’t just give out money randomly. They give training, information, connections, etc.
People get black bagged for walking eith signs and you want a foreign nation to try to stealth teach us combat? Yeah no that's not happening.
I want China to use the same tactics that the CIA has successfully used to overthrow countries over and over again to help get us out of this hell, and help other countries get out of their hells too.
CIA gets away with it because they're working against countries weaker in surveillance than they are or less likely to go nuclear. The US is neither compared to China.
Enes Kanter? Serpentza?
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Exactly!!! That’s part of my point.
The CIA doesn’t seem to have any trouble whipping up reactionary groups around the world wherever it wants. Where’s our Chinese CIA training leftist paramilitaries to stir up trouble in the imperial core and right wing dictatorships in the global south?
There needs to be SOME base for that movement to build on. We’ve barely gotten over the illusion of rugged individualism, we need to re-learn how to be a community before we can stand up for ourselves.
Maybe I’m very pessimistic about American society, but I truly do not believe that will happen without outside agitators showing us how to do it and giving vast support to the people that do.
Every institution in the United States is designed to break down community, destroy leftist and worker movements, and make sure even “leftists” eventually come back into the fold as quiet liberals. I don’t see that being overcome by the targets of those institutions without outside help or the complete collapse of the United States.
And if those movements and communities don’t already exist at the time of collapse we’re in deep deep fucking trouble.
We learn by doing, then. It starts with food and shelter, not adventurism.