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  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    2 years ago

    The fundamental driver is the material conditions created by the economic system

    No argument there.

    capitalism will create an exterior regardless of whether production occurs in theoretically self-sufficient eco pods or wholesale clearing of jungle to build a railroad through appropriated land in Chiapas.

    True. But even the old Soviets weren't above externalizing their waste. Hell, until fairly recently breathing in Beijing was like smoking two packs a day.

    Capitalism isn't the only incentive to externalize. And arcologies don't stop people from externalizing. They just create an (ideally) impermeable barrier between regions.

    • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      No argument here! I'm curious about what you're thinking about at standing out for arcologies. I'm sympathetic but am not sure what is really all that different from the status quo.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        I think the only arcology we can create, in any practical sense, is Earth itself. Anything less just means creating a barrier beyond which we dump all our excess waste