It’s almost like they didn’t hear a word he said.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/wio72z/roger_waters_is_denying_chinas_genocide_on_uyghur/
It’s almost like they didn’t hear a word he said.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/wio72z/roger_waters_is_denying_chinas_genocide_on_uyghur/
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This a big moment for status quo PR, this is how they reach the average person who doesn't pay attention to this shit. I guarantee there are feds in that thread. I'm also fairly certain his career is "over", I mean he can retire comfortably numb at this point but they will make an example out of him I guarantee it. I'm preparing for massive psychic damage.
I think the opposite. They'll ignore it completely. It is much much more effective to utterly dismiss and ignore the opposition than it is to try and refute them when you are the one doing disinformation. Every single conversation that brings up the topic reaching just a handful more people at a time and making them see the correct side of the issue is bad for them, it slowly creates a situation they get forced into addressing.
We saw this here in the UK with the ukrainian nazis initially, they desperately wanted to make it into an incredibly minor thing and propagandise people. It worked initially, but over the months we slowly turned more and more people on the topic, little by little. Now there is widespread acceptance that Ukraine has a very real nazi problem. They didn't want that reality to get addressed but they basically can't do shit about that now.
If people like Rogers actually get engaged they will turn people.
Reddit also only has an audience with a very specific crowd of 20 something males. They're not as important as they believe. Rogers will turn a lot of people that are 40+ if they try and argue with him or destroy him. Reddit is not the major influence group that Rogers words will reach.
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Go out into the real world and ask folks about the Uyghurs or even Ukraine, and see how much they actually know or care. Basically no one does (in the US at least). My partner for example is vaguely aware Russia and Ukraine are fighting but probably hasn't given it a second of thought in months.
(That said, propaganda has worked well enough that most Americans do hate China, but more for vague reasons they can't explain or something about "taking our jobs")
At the end of the day it's not about turning everyone at once. We can't do that. We don't have the media power.
What we do have is the truth though. They want the large crowds of screaming angry people to deter us from pushing back, they want the social anxiety of being completely clear about the matter to make us mince our words, not address things directly, or literally shut the fuck up out of fear.
If you push through that, if your attempts to get through only turn a few people at a time, that matters over thousands and thousands of leftists doing it over months and months and months. We must never stop explaining, on a long enough timeline we will always win.
I've had a lot of people bring up Uyghurs irl. I know a lot of people who pride themselves on staying "informed" which means listening to npr and reading nyt opeds
I mean we'll never know how much a pop culture foray into geopolitics sways people one way or another, its not like anyone will say yeah I was brainwashed until this rock star said something in an interview. I think my point is that the media will spin this as a tool of saying "look at the clown who believes clown things! What a washed up loser" and that sort of thing will work on far more people than will question these narratives. Anyone who is thinking yeah way to go Roger, already probably knows the US is fighting a proxy war with Russia using neonazis, or the Xinjiang "genocide" is bullocks.
So yeah they might ignore it completely but as someone who follows boomer rock star news, I've never seen anything quite as based and correct. Usually its just liberal status quo drivel, Trump bad fascist man type of shit. I guess maybe I'm a little excited by this, its the most punk rock thing I've seen in a long as time. I mean even "punk" bands these days are mostly radlibs screaming about authoritarianism.
I mean McAfee was able to be influential despite being a washed up loser living in the middle of nowhere. Boomers and Gen X have very few voices that sound and look like themselves who speak authentically, by which I mean the only figures they have in media are news presenters and bullshit commentators who have a persistent aura of pure fakeness.
They have nobody that sounds authentic and when someone speaks authentically even if they're speaking complete nonsense it is influential to them, they value hearing an earnest voice from someone that looks and talks like them. The only people that get into media to do that are washed up rockstars. More washed up rockstars are reactionary than like Rogers though.
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no it's really not for two reasons, one he's in pink floyd which is too big a band with men of a certain age, two people probably won't connect the name Roger Waters to pink floyd because liberals are really dumb
Roger Waters has been touring PF music under his own name for years and the rest of the band kept the name. Gilmour is a massive lib and hates Roger and won't do another cash grab reunion with him after this. His audience of mainly boomers who are either lib or chud will no longer pay $80-150 to see him, and RW ego will never have him play smaller venues.
I'm not saying that he isn't open about being in PF I'm saying that the fans like the music enough most people just aren't online enough to care about this sort of thing
He hasn't been in Pink Floyd since 1985, except one short reunion tour in 05. Pink Floyd just recorded their pro-Ukraine song without him, which maybe was a catalyst for these latest interviews.
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