I've heard an old thought experiment for abortion which goes something like this:
You wake up and you find yourself attached to a world famous concert violinist. It turns out you and he are the only 2 compatible for this treatment, which is basically like dialysis but using your organs. He is completely unconscious and will remain so for the duration of your attachment. The doctor that sewed you together says that for the treatment to be successful you must remain attached for only 9 months. If the concert violinist is removed at any point before 9 months, he will die. Do you have the right to terminate the violinist? I don't know how many people it convinces but the few more antiabortion conservative people I've talked to about it at least agree they should be able to cut off the violinist lol.
I don't think this will convince people who believe in abstinence. The argument isn't perfect anyway, because if you have consensual PIV sex you know that pregnancy is a possible outcome whereas in your example it's completely random.
Even people who believe in abstinence can be raped/sewn to some dude without their consent. It's true, it isn't perfect because ultimately I do believe abortion should be provided without a reason needed. But this was for people who are total pro life absolutists, and in the end I don't think it actually convinced them to soften their stances anyway. They rarely have arrived to that belief by logic or whatever, so trying to convince them is kinda pointless.
I think a modification that would make sense is that you were at fault in a car accident with the violinist, so the state decided you will be forced to be hooked up to them for 9 months.
We don't even make people give away their blood which comes back to 100%, so I feel like it's at least the same legally. Giving blood is no where near as big a deal as pregnancy with all the ways that can go wrong.
I've heard an old thought experiment for abortion which goes something like this:
You wake up and you find yourself attached to a world famous concert violinist. It turns out you and he are the only 2 compatible for this treatment, which is basically like dialysis but using your organs. He is completely unconscious and will remain so for the duration of your attachment. The doctor that sewed you together says that for the treatment to be successful you must remain attached for only 9 months. If the concert violinist is removed at any point before 9 months, he will die. Do you have the right to terminate the violinist? I don't know how many people it convinces but the few more antiabortion conservative people I've talked to about it at least agree they should be able to cut off the violinist lol.
I don't think this will convince people who believe in abstinence. The argument isn't perfect anyway, because if you have consensual PIV sex you know that pregnancy is a possible outcome whereas in your example it's completely random.
Even people who believe in abstinence can be raped/sewn to some dude without their consent. It's true, it isn't perfect because ultimately I do believe abortion should be provided without a reason needed. But this was for people who are total pro life absolutists, and in the end I don't think it actually convinced them to soften their stances anyway. They rarely have arrived to that belief by logic or whatever, so trying to convince them is kinda pointless.
True, this might convince absolutists to soften their position.
the violinist thing is way closer to rape than consensual sex
I think a modification that would make sense is that you were at fault in a car accident with the violinist, so the state decided you will be forced to be hooked up to them for 9 months.
We don't even make people give away their blood which comes back to 100%, so I feel like it's at least the same legally. Giving blood is no where near as big a deal as pregnancy with all the ways that can go wrong.
some weird anti-violinist vibes in this thought experiment