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I'm in the middle of watching this and I think there's an argument for what he's saying but now I'm afraid every idiot who doesn't know anything at all about music suddenly will have all this clueless and unearned stored "knowledge" against studying Music Theory.
Studying Bach or understanding basic shit like what a I-V is in fact useful. You can't come to the realization of the Lydian Chromatic Concept without understanding I-V. And there are already textbooks that are comprehensive to harmony from 14th-21st century. And obviously Music Theory as it is taught is outdated and racist.
But the bigger argument no one wants to make is that music is heavily classist. If you don't belong to a community/culture where the music already exists, you're fucked... unless you have the money to import that culture. That's why Jazz is FILLED with upper middle class/rich white kids. That's why entire symphonic orchestra's are made up of children of rich asians and whites.
Like, imagine this situation, you're American and you listen to mostly Rock and Hip-Hop like a majority of Americans. Maybe some other stuff but you're studying theory because you're interested in music and want to develop your skills in the craft. But instead of teaching you anything functional, they start teaching you Indian ragas? It's bougie liberal-minded bullshit.
My argument isn't "Don't teach other cultures" it's " Fix communities so Indian Ragas are accessible to learn." Like if Figured Bass is useless, so is Indian Raga beyond sating a curiosity, they're both functionally useless to people who grew up listening to and wanting to emulate rock and hip-hop music.
Indian approach to rhythm is the future imo, you accomplish way more with stuff like"tiki" takita" "takadimi" than ONE AND TWO AND.
"One and two and" is so stuck in last few centuries that to be good at rhythm you end up having to unlearn it lol
i disagree on some points but just came back from a run and need to get ready for work so i cant slapfight with you on some minor bs.
Basically ppl who go to college often dont know your point is true or how to utilize communities and those tools properly bcos US education is trash and our communities are extremely atomized
I mean, aside from church music, most classical music is also folk music with some nerd writings and a wanky veneer to appease the aristos that was later reified by Mahler and Wagner. Most composers learned from hearing other composers, and from occasional slices of sheet music that wandered around. Most music was local.
It's not like Vincenzo Galilei was developing formal tonality from studying the church, he was using local lute tunes. This whole art music gig is a farce.
I'm in the middle of watching this and I think there's an argument for what he's saying but now I'm afraid every idiot who doesn't know anything at all about music suddenly will have all this clueless and unearned stored "knowledge" against studying Music Theory.
Studying Bach or understanding basic shit like what a I-V is in fact useful. You can't come to the realization of the Lydian Chromatic Concept without understanding I-V. And there are already textbooks that are comprehensive to harmony from 14th-21st century. And obviously Music Theory as it is taught is outdated and racist.
But the bigger argument no one wants to make is that music is heavily classist. If you don't belong to a community/culture where the music already exists, you're fucked... unless you have the money to import that culture. That's why Jazz is FILLED with upper middle class/rich white kids. That's why entire symphonic orchestra's are made up of children of rich asians and whites.
Like, imagine this situation, you're American and you listen to mostly Rock and Hip-Hop like a majority of Americans. Maybe some other stuff but you're studying theory because you're interested in music and want to develop your skills in the craft. But instead of teaching you anything functional, they start teaching you Indian ragas? It's bougie liberal-minded bullshit.
My argument isn't "Don't teach other cultures" it's " Fix communities so Indian Ragas are accessible to learn." Like if Figured Bass is useless, so is Indian Raga beyond sating a curiosity, they're both functionally useless to people who grew up listening to and wanting to emulate rock and hip-hop music.
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Indian approach to rhythm is the future imo, you accomplish way more with stuff like"tiki" takita" "takadimi" than ONE AND TWO AND. "One and two and" is so stuck in last few centuries that to be good at rhythm you end up having to unlearn it lol
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i disagree on some points but just came back from a run and need to get ready for work so i cant slapfight with you on some minor bs.
Basically ppl who go to college often dont know your point is true or how to utilize communities and those tools properly bcos US education is trash and our communities are extremely atomized
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My brother lol.
I mean, aside from church music, most classical music is also folk music with some nerd writings and a wanky veneer to appease the aristos that was later reified by Mahler and Wagner. Most composers learned from hearing other composers, and from occasional slices of sheet music that wandered around. Most music was local.
It's not like Vincenzo Galilei was developing formal tonality from studying the church, he was using local lute tunes. This whole art music gig is a farce.
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Like barely.
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Prolly cos adam neely is a lot of pop sci and meme vids