Here is September 19th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

Here is September 20th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

Here is September 21st's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

Here is September 23rd's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

Here is September 24th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists, for the “buh Zeleski is a jew?!?!” people.

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.

Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.

Last week's discussion post.

  • FLAMING_AUBURN_LOCKS [she/her]
    ·
    2 years ago

    So i figure LDR and DPR are a given. but assuming this is a fair and earnest referendum, what are the odds that Kherson and Zhapotraphouse vote to join the RF? the breakaway republics have genuine grievances with Kiev stretching back to before the beginning of the Donbas War, but the other two don’t seem to have the same resentment beyond just having a lot of ethnic russians. can russia really coast to victory here off ethnonationalism alone? do we even think there’s any actual democracy happening here?

    edit: i phrased this in a way to spur discussion on the topic, not gonna worm my way out of saying i think the referenda are bullshit in Kherson and Zhaporozhiya

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
      ·
      2 years ago

      what are the odds that Kherson and Zhapotraphouse vote to join the RF?

      Fairly high. I certainly think the large majority of people there will vote to join it. Consider also the following factors: many of the really pro-Ukraine people fled as Russia advanced, leaving mainly the pro-Russian people and the people who don't give a shit who they're ruled by; Russia is a richer country with more opportunities than Ukraine; and residents here likely fear what Ukraine would do to them if the territory was recaptured, even if they weren't especially pro-Russian.

      do we even think there’s any actual democracy happening here?

      Definitionally not because not all the residents of the area are being counted - the people who fled aren't getting a vote and presumably they'd want to go back to their homes once the war is done (at least, it it remained Ukrainian, not sure if they'd wanna go back if it turns Russian), and it's also basically impossible to do 100% genuine direct democracy in wartime anyway - Ukraine is actively trying to make the results go its way, and so you need to counter those efforts, and in the process of countering them, somebody's gonna call bullshit on you. And Russia obviously has military and civilian authorities there and I cannot imagine, if the results ended up being pro-Ukraine, that they would accept that those results were fair.

      But I think it's still not a total sham. It's certainly less of a sham than the West is making it out to be. The point of this isn't that Russia is "spreading democracy" or whatever bullshit the West says they're doing, the realpolitik here is that Russia cannot be seen by the international community as annexing territory and so the territories must choose to join them. The West will decry these as shams even if they're the most democratic process the world has seen up until this point, so who gives a shit about them. Russia's trying to make everybody else, which is 80-90% of the world's population, not unhappy at them.

    • LurkerJee [none/use name]
      ·
      2 years ago

      France held referendums to get Savoy to join France. Referendums during war time are almost always shams

    • AssadCurse [none/use name]
      ·
      2 years ago

      Most of those who are very anti-Russia in these occupied regions have already vacated. The people still remaining are going to be the more vulnerable portions of the population that couldn’t flee, and Russian sympathizers. Consider that Russia has set up its own institutions here already and is paying out pensions in rubles and building housing. That wins a lot of hearts through patronage.

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
      ·
      2 years ago

      do we even think there’s any actual democracy happening here?

      As far as I'm concerned when it comes to Ukrainian "territory" you simply can't ever hope to side with imperialist NATO and fascists without consequences honestly. Anyone thinking that Ukrainian autonomy is something worth considering should realize the train left the station when Zelensky refused the peace treaty back in April after being forced by the UK/Boris.

      That peace treaty if you recall had a security guarantee for Ukraine backed the US, EU and Russia.

      IMO these referendums are nothing but check marks on the war goal list. The real main war goal is to stop NATO advancing towards Russia's borders and this wont be achieved until we see some sort of critical collapse of the Ukrainian government, either through territory conquest or a peace deal which Russia already said months ago they don't care about anymore.

      The pro-Russian commentators were already speculating Russia may eventually go as far as Odessa. And if things realy get out of hand some even say Poland wants to take western Ukraine themselves.