Thousands of children have been found in the basements of war-torn cities like Mariupol and at orphanages in the Russian-backed separatist territories of Donbas. They include those whose parents were killed by Russian shelling as well as others in institutions or with foster families, known as “children of the state.”

Russia claims that these children don’t have parents or guardians to look after them, or that they can’t be reached. But the AP found that officials have deported Ukrainian children to Russia or Russian-held territories without consent, lied to them that they weren’t wanted by their parents, used them for propaganda, and given them Russian families and citizenship.

The investigation is the most extensive to date on the grab of Ukrainian children, and the first to follow the process all the way to those already growing up in Russia. The AP drew from dozens of interviews with parents, children and officials in both Ukraine and Russia; emails and letters; Russian documents and Russian state media.

Whether or not they have parents, raising the children of war in another country or culture can be a marker of genocide, an attempt to erase the very identity of an enemy nation.

Even where parents are dead, Rapp said, their children must be sheltered, fostered or adopted in Ukraine rather than deported to Russia.

Russian law prohibits the adoption of foreign children. But in May, Putin signed a decree making it easier for Russia to adopt and give citizenship to Ukrainian children without parental care — and harder for Ukraine and surviving relatives to win them back.

Russia also has prepared a register of suitable Russian families for Ukrainian children, and pays them for each child who gets citizenship — up to $1,000 for those with disabilities. It holds summer camps for Ukrainian orphans, offers “patriotic education” classes and even runs a hotline to pair Russian families with children from Donbas.

“It is absolutely a terrible story,” said Petro Andryushchenko, an adviser to the Mariupol mayor, who claims hundreds of children were taken from that city alone. “We don’t know if our children have an official parent or (stepparents) or something else because they are forcibly disappeared by Russian troops.”

Russia portrays its adoption of Ukrainian children as an act of generosity that gives new homes and medical resources to helpless minors. Russian state media shows local officials hugging and kissing them and handing them Russian passports.

It’s very hard to pin down the exact number of Ukrainian children deported to Russia — Ukrainian officials claim nearly 8,000. Russia hasn’t given an overall number, but officials regularly announce the arrival of Ukrainian orphans in Russian military planes.

In March, Russian children’s rights ombudswoman Maria Lvova-Belova said more than 1,000 children from Ukraine were in Russia. Over the summer, she said 120 Russian families had applied for guardianship, and more than 130 Ukrainian children had received Russian citizenship. Many more have come since, including a batch of 234 in early October.

She acknowledged that at first, a group of 30 children brought to Russia from the basements of Mariupol defiantly sang the Ukrainian national anthem and shouted, “Glory to Ukraine!” But now, she said, their criticism has been “transformed into a love for Russia,” and she herself has taken one in, a teenager.

The children of Mariupol aren’t the first Russia has been accused of stealing from Ukraine.

In 2014, after Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula, more than 80 children from Luhansk were stopped at checkpoints and abducted. Ukraine sued, and the European Court of Human Rights found the children were taken into Russia “without medical support or the necessary paperwork.” The children were returned to Ukraine before a final decision.

Kateryna Rashevska, a human rights defender, said she knows of about 30 Ukrainian children from Crimea adopted by Russians under a program known as Train of Hope. Now, she said, some of those children might well be Russian soldiers. Since 2015, the Young Army Cadets national movement has trained youth in Crimea and Russia for potential recruitment into the military.

This time around, at least 96 children have been returned to Ukraine since March after negotiations. But Ukrainian officials have tracked down the identities of thousands more in Russia, and the names of many others simply aren’t published.

    • American_Communist22 [she/her,comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Nah, I just saw this stuff so much a while ago, and it turned out their definition of "kidnapping" was taking the kids out of an active warzone through the humanitarian roadways

        • American_Communist22 [she/her,comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah, you want to leave them there? If there was some more evidence, or non western evidence, I would be more suspicious. Russia does have quite a large criminal underground since the soviets fell, but it seems that there are no real disappearances, just relocation.

          • LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Did you read the article? It literally includes quotes from Russian officials talking about this as a good thing. They're not even denying it.

            • American_Communist22 [she/her,comrade/them]
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              I admit I disregarded it out of hand, due to it being western media. I was also talking about that it was some sort of abduction into a child ahem profiteering ring, but its not that at all. They admit relocating kids in russia to checks notes russia. Although I shall read it, as the claim that they are not truly orphans, and may have families still is a disturbing one.

              But one source is by the mayor of Maripol, home of the Azov battalion, so I will be taking it with a lake of salt.

              • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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                We also saw that before the war, a huge line of bus after bus with women and children fled to Russia before the war start. Did they count those as abduct also I wonder?

                • American_Communist22 [she/her,comrade/them]
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                  I guess so, because the source they linked is hard west aligned. and I mean HARD.

                  They blame the conflict and the dead parents in the donbass reigon on RUSSIAN SHELLING! I am in disgust at this article they linked as "evidence".

                  Its an editorial with one of those 'heartfelt stories' they make up as fanfiction for the beginning of their propaganda spiels. It is pure western propaganda, through and through

            • kristina [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              so after digging through some of the statements, Maria Lvova-Belova has talked about various cases where children had parents murdered in front of them and they do not have any extended family contact information. They have successfully worked with Ukraine on transporting families to Russia or children to Ukraine but its a shitshow. She said that children are being placed in foster homes as a preference because an orphanage would give poor outcomes for disabled and traumatized children. There was a case where they had all the children from one family but they were left behind when the parents fled west out of Ukraine, according to their information

              It seems like a complete shitshow but I doubt its intentional. If they were being Nazis about it they wouldnt give a damn about kids with disabilities or trauma

              • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                So, AP omitting some information. Classic west with half truth half lie

              • American_Communist22 [she/her,comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                Thats what I gathered. The west just so happens to 'mistranslate' everything into words that fit their worldview the most. 'Raise them into russians' lmao! Anything Russia does will be heralded as acts of pure satan!

                • kristina [she/her]
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                  Also talked about how before they started doing this kids were constantly running from bomb shelter to bomb shelter, often with only clothes on their back and no real personal affects so it was necessary to create an evacuation so that they were somewhere more stable.

                  Here's something she directly stated

                  The most touching thing is at the train station. The parents, seeing "their own," begin to cry. It is a new, joyful turn in their lives. The children are no less emotional: there is joy and worry about how everything will turn out. And seventeen-year-old Anya is worried about her grandmother, who has stayed in Shakhtarsk. We agreed that, if the relative wishes, we will help her to move closer to her granddaughters.

                  So in this situation she is referencing that she had to place this one girl in foster care and the grandmother is near the front lines and cannot be easily reached right now, but if the relative wants to they have a program to swap housing from Donetsk to live near blood relatives that were evacuated. Almost all the stories I see are from kids near places extremely close to the front lines which would obviously be an extremely dangerous place for kids to be returned to.

                • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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                  The western govt done a good job on dressing up their propaganda as some kind of “reliable news”. But after this shite show of a war, their credibility hopefully tank with this fantasy style of writing that has many loop holes, omitting info and deliberately pick and choose quote

                • kristina [she/her]
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                  She also talks about ensuring kids have psychologists for trauma and that in order to ensure they have care they actually had to get a mandate from various governors that they have enough psychologists to handle the all the kids. Like idk, def doesnt seem like a Nazi thing. Like I'm sure shes not great being a capitalist politician and all but she does seem to be genuinely putting in a lot of legwork based on the videos

                  • American_Communist22 [she/her,comrade/them]
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                    They further push this document, which President Putin signed into law, as evidence of a conspiracy, and they say the good translate version lines up https://t.me/rian_ru/165351

                        • kristina [she/her]
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                          I got curious and I searched the law in full text lmao. My Russian abilities are gonna be stretched real thin here on legalese so just an fyi

                          Law amends rules for citizenship

                          Says 'Orphaned and disabled children left without parental care, incapcitated persons who are citizens of the DPR, LPR, or Ukraine can choose to acquire citizenship of Russia'

                          Those who have the right to apply are 'guardians of the child, guardian of an incapacitated person who is a citizen of Russia, DPR, LPR, or Ukraine except (paraphrasing because some words confuse me) in case of injured/incapacitated parents or guardians or people unable to currently fulfill parental duties.' An organization from Russia, DPR, LPR, Ukraine that is holding children not temporarily but permanently can also apply for the child's citizenship, temporarily is defined by parents not being available but could be expected to be available in the future, basically. A medical or social services organization from Russia, Ukraine, etc can apply for citizenship of incapacitated people so that they will have their educational and medical needs properly met.

                          Frankly being a dual citizen is kinda cushy (I am one) so I really dont see the problem here. It doesnt revoke Ukrainian citizenship unless a Ukrainian law doesnt allow Russians to hold Ukrainian citizenship, at which point thats on the Ukrainians for being assholes

                        • kristina [she/her]
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                          Lol apparently this whole thing is started by a Ukrainian faction that wanted to criminalize holding a dual citizenship (at all!). This muddies the water for them which is making them throw a temper tantrum. Now you know!

                          They already have a law on the books that Ukrainian citizens cannot be citizens of Russia and will have their rights revoked. So they feel threatened that Russia is expanding the citizenship process. It has nothing to do with kidnapping children, they just want everyone in their country to be forced to stay there. The sensible action would be to allow dual citizens, but is Ukraine that is forcing the breaking up of families here.

                  • LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    From what you've written, she sounds like a good person. I'm glad this isn't some child trafficking scheme or something. The main contention is the fact that Ukraine is claiming Russia isn't actually returning the children in the vast majority of cases.

            • kristina [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              i'll look into some of Maria Lvova-Belova statements. i can read russian