LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]

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  • LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]tothe_dunk_tank•Men are traaaaaaaaash.
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    2 years ago

    Ok. If we go by these assumptions and definitions, then yeah men are not a class. That was never my argument so I don’t really care if I give up that position. I’m not saying we all need to stand up and overthrow all men in a violent revolution.

    Let’s just say, for the moment just say, that under patriarchy, men are a social group distinct from non-men, and that under this system, men have power over non-men.

    So, men, under the system called patriarchy, can be called trash (as a group) because they, under patriarchy, have power over non-men that they use and abuse. They benefit from this way of organising society, even if they don’t (think) they actively participate in it.

    I’m not saying men will always be trash, that there is something fundamental about being a man that makes you trash that cannot be changed, all that is just believed by some people at the very fringes of “feminism” (I hesitate to even use that term to describe them because imo they aren’t even feminists at that point - they just hate men.)

    There are many ways of looking at and analysing society. It’s a complex world. Sometimes, using one lens can answer questions another lens can’t. But it might raise confusions and questions of its own. None of this makes one system right or better. It all depends on what you use it for.

    To the best of our knowledge, we live under capitalism. But it isn’t just capitalism. It is patriarchal, white supremacist, heteronormative and many other things too. They all intersect with one another and mutually reinforce one another, and it is by this point so intertwined that fighting one system of oppression requires fighting all of them, else you’ll end up still oppressed. But that still doesn’t make them one and the same, no, the differences still matter. Any one of them can survive without another.

    Like, patriarchy has existed across societies around the world throughout the ages. Today it is dependent on capitalism, but that’s because capitalism is the most powerful and all-encompassing and adaptive of all such systems that has ever existed. Patriarchy, itself, has no qualms about a return to feudalism.

    So, you know, men are trash. They have been trash historically, and they are trash today. But they might not be trash tomorrow.