Pay the workers you filthy capitalists :xi-gun:
Surveillance cameras and windows smashed by men with sticks
Workers complain of delayed pay, insufficient food
Some videos of the protests (possibly): https://twitter.com/lolc936163/status/1595421244236566536
Market socialism is a fuck. Return to central planning.
purely relying on central planning in China resulted in millions of deaths and mass starvation. It was attempted before they’d built up industry.
There’s no doubt a centralized system is ideal for many Marxists, but getting to that point requires time and effort. The CPC has been doing that work for decades.
Do you know of any Marxist critiques of Mao’s era and his policies? I’ve only ever seen the capitalist versions that decry socialism and praise Deng for bringing in capitalism (false, obviously).
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This is just disingenuous, central planning is very widely powerful, and can be applied to any society, more population just means more work. Don't discount it just because the current China doesn't have it adopted.
The Soviet Union still used abacuses in their grocery stores all the way up to its dissolution. That's mechanical and mental computation. Their planned economy was quite literally based off of elbow grease and midnight candles.
Modern China would have a hard time doing a sudden shift to a planned economy yet modern technology and its availability has made the planned economic model infinitely easier than it was a century earlier. They're literally in a finger trap of their own making.
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True, but never discount central planning power.
Yeah the argument of “too many variables” is just capitalist propaganda.
seeing my companies ordering systems work really opened my eyes to central planning. then i read The People's Republic of Walmart and it convinced me. we need a Cybersyn 2.0
Exactly! We already have “central planning.” It’s just capitalist central planning.
Very true. Companies like palantir already keep track of entire supply chains and are used to prevent shortages. The technology is there
more people to manage but also more people to do the work required to manage them :shrug-outta-hecks:
It's more complicated than that. While mass starvation did occur, modern Chinese analysis of the records up to and processing from the Great Leap Forward indicate that significant portion of what was reported as death by starvation (likely in excess of ten million, still leaving a staggering twenty million estimated deaths) was unaccounted for population movement that was not recorded on the back end. Basically, you get widespread instances of people dropping out of country records, reported as dead, and then showing up again 20 years later in city census records that they are not supposed to be in, creating a "growth boom" without a correlating increase in birth rates.
Simultaneously, the only reason we even have semi-accurate data on this event is because of the attempts at stringent record keeping by the central planners. Before this point, keeping records of the population sizes of the provincial peasantry was scant to non-existent, with taxation codes being inconsistent between provinces and governments. As such it is nearly impossible to get an accurate read on the scale, frequency and severity of famines in China prior to the CPC. However, it is conservatively estimated that a 'great' famine that would kill anywhere from 5-10 million people would occur every 30-50 years within most of Chinese history. Almost all of these deaths would go unreported. If this is the case, then the famine of the Great Leap Forward represents the last such famine in Chinese history and an unprecedented break from the cycle going forward.
Basically, it was typical historical event, exacerbated by central planning goals, that was recorded because of central planning (with errors being increased by cumulative central planning errors) and then generally solved by that central planning going forward.
They probably want to get all the latest tech transfer first, then back to central planning
Inshallah, it’ll happen in our lifetimes.
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