https://twitter.com/DSANorthStar/status/1602758852851531776
Also take a look at their logo
https://twitter.com/jonnysocialism/status/1603024109558206464
https://twitter.com/DSANorthStar/status/1602758852851531776
Also take a look at their logo
https://twitter.com/jonnysocialism/status/1603024109558206464
I don't think anyone here needs to hear this, but in case I'm wrong, it's time to let the DSA go. They're literally just Democrats.
Counterpoint: you can manipulate them to do stuff for you. Also I there's value in pipelining cool ones into commie orgs, basically the opposite of entryism.
Yeah, there's really no better pipeline left than a fairly large organization that has actual people in power who at least stake out positions to the left of Democrats.
Leftists are upset with the DSA because they aren't a revolutionary vanguard party, but they don't need to be that to be useful.
DSA is extremely lib and does embarrassing things, so I'm sympathetic to dunking on it (I love to do it too lol) and pointing out its risks and failures.
I just think it still has utility for commies if approached strategically. Set your sights realistically and you can be (a little) less frustrated when your local DSA chapter goes slava ukraini or something.
Outryism.
exitism
DSAexit
DSAdieu
:kelly:
This is the right wing caucus, right?
That sentence alone is...
IIRC, North Star was formed when almost half of DSA members rejected partnering with Our Rev. They're electoralist. Everyone good left the org after 2020 anyway
what happened in 2020?
The US presidential election. There was a big schism in the DSA over throwing resources behind Bernie's campaign.
North Star is like the furthest right wing of the organization and it's basically a bunch of boomer Harringtonites with an email chain. I am unironically surprised that they are on Twitter.
The organization has a lot of right wing factions but this is both the least radical and the least relevant.
It was annoying at the time, but I feel like I can take pride in having been purged from my local DSA chapter lol. The leadership is very lib, so when a group of people tried to challenge them from their left, they kicked the candidates and everyone associated with them out of the chapter
If you live in a place with DSA chapters, chances are that other parties are present in your area for you to look into!
This is so wildly not true. DSA will have small chapters in hollowed out deindustrialized towns, which will be a hodge-podge of whatever progressives, socialists, anarchists and communists in the town.
Thank you for the correction!
The national DSA is kind of shit but it has a lot of local chapters doing good organizing work. Join whatever org is doing good organizing in your area that you can plug yourself into. Maybe that's an org with an overall better structure and political line, maybe it isn't. To characterize the whole of DSA "literally just democrats" based on a north star tweet is silly if I am being charitable and fed shit if I am not.
Logging on to hexbear to intimate another user is a fed because I feel like a dope for being in a useless org.
I don't think you are actually a fed, I think comrades should be more wary of the fact that they are in a forum filled with people who might get involved in an org who aren't currently, and shitting on an org that does good work vindicates people doing nothing and discourages those who might do something. That's counter-productive.
As someone else pointed out, most areas that are large enough to have a DSA chapter probably have something else. At this point, DSA is just MoveOn with vaguely left wing aesthetics.
It blows my mind that people are on here defending AOC, et al voting to enforce the rail contract. If the excuse is they would have lost their seats at the table, then they're already compromised. This is why so many of us left the org in 2020 when NDSA put Bernie's campaign on par or ahead of local work. We all knew electoralism and Democratic entryism were ultimately losing strategies because of exactly this possibility.
If there are people here that are considering getting involved with an org for the first time I think it is important to steer them away from DSA. If someone's first taste of left wing organizing ends in useless Democratic entryism, what are the chances they'll walk away frustrated that socialism turned out to be no different than the system they were trying to escape?
I am honestly not sure how true the first part is. As far as I know, DSA is the largest socialist org and it's not close. Anecdotally, where I live I know a few other orgs exist, but genuinely I have never seen any more than one member from those orgs at a time, and it's not very common. If I left DSA for another org, it seems quite likely the scope of activity where I could get involved would be greatly diminished. Joining a DSA chapter ran by harringtonites would suck, but joining a glorified book club would also suck. I agree with you that we should encourage people to join orgs doing useful work (and steer people away from bad orgs). That org near someone might be a DSA chapter, it might not be. It's not all democratic entryism lmao.
Like if someone not familiar with the DSA read your comment they would get the idea that it's all electoralists and they all are fans of AOC and they all put all their effort on electing democrats and that's simply not true. A significant portion of DSA's work is non-electoral. I don't want to sound like I'm doing a fucking commercial for the DSA but literally if the chapter near you is good, you can join and ignore electoral stuff. If you want (and you are near a chapter that actually does this), you can join and just focus on labor for example. If the chapter is like yours, then yeah find another org if one exists.
If you've found a better org in which you can do better organizing then that's fantastic, genuinely. You won't hear any defense from me of the DSA spending resources electing socdems in congress, not expelling bowman, dissolving the palestine working group, etc. etc.
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