I welcome evidence of any successful leftist state project that did not give credit to authors, filmmakers, etc. Legitimately curious to see what that would look like.
you'd have to describe the difference, I could be. I'm talking about when someone thinks they own an idea and can control how others use that idea (for example, requiring that person to acknowledge the original author of the work). Sort of like being a landlord over that idea and renting it out. Sometimes for a fee, sometimes just for recognition. If that's not right then yeah I'm probably mistaken. I think it's wrong to take domain over an idea to the point where you would try and control how someone else uses it. Let it go. But I understand people who feel otherwise (in housing as well as in intellectual property).
So I'm strongly against copyright, IP, etc. I'm also not talking about vague ideas, but rather a specific combination of words someone put together in order to make a functional joke.
For the term plagiarism I am using this particular definition:
the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
I think there's benefit in knowing who wrote what specific book, what song, etc. I like following bands and authors, I like knowing whose work were influential and why, and I like knowing that my doctor didn't just copy the test notes from the guy next to him. In this sense the concept of plagiarism is important to me.
Your landlord example would be apt for my purposes. Just as people once just lived on land, posters here are simply vibing and entertaining, educating, and helping each other. Reposting, rephrasing a joke - great. :dead-dove-1: is my favorite example of this on the site.
The landlords here would be those who take those ideas and then exploit them for profit, resulting in a much higher standard of living than the original "author." These podcasts are all subject to copyright, branding, etc. The Chapo guys, strictly as an example, have stated they're against piracy of their "special" projects. That means the free things generated in leftist spaces are now part of that brand.
I think there’s benefit in knowing who wrote what specific book, what song, etc
It's when you stop other people from acting in order to obtain this benefit that crosses the line for me. I think it's a great if you want to know the original author of a work, and I wish you could get that information in a way that didn't involve punishing folks for their behavior. But it doesn't seem to me like those things can be separated.
Stealing answers on a test isn't plagiarism it's cheating you should respect the difference if you're discussing in good faith.
I think it’s a great if you want to know the original author of a work, and I wish you could get that information in a way that didn’t involve punishing folks for their behavior. But it doesn’t seem to me like those things can be separated.
Again, I'm talking about a verbatim copy with no new material. I sincerely, in good faith, am trying to believe you do not think an ideal world is one where there's 8000 people claiming to have authored the exact same copy of Lord of the Rings. We need this to understand history; who said what, and why.
I do not understand why putting somewhere, anywhere, on your art "original idea by whoever" is such a big ask. You can even say "The rapist, George Orwell, came up with this initially and we fixed it." I do not care.
Stealing answers on a test isn’t plagiarism it’s cheating you should respect the difference if you’re discussing in good faith.
Okay, fine, you're right. But how about xeroxing a thesis or dissertation, and passing it off as your own?
Plagiarism is just stolen valor for nerds
Okay, but you're failing to address the implications of what you're suggesting.
I am not lying when I say I don't care how many Lord of the Rings versions there are. Someone will recommend one to me.
If you pass off an academic thesis as your own I'm assuming it's for something like a grade? That sounds like cheating. Same as copying answers. Not plagiarism. If you're passing off an academic thesis on your website blog as your own, no one is harmed.
I don't think you need to mandate author tracking to understand history. But I am open to considering how to make sure a society can function.
So then, let's pick on a target I assume we both dislike. Do you think Joe Biden plagiarizing the speeches of others to attempt to gain the presidency was a good thing, and we should have just let him be president in 87?
I am not lying when I say I don’t care how many Lord of the Rings versions there are.
Again, (1) version, singular. With multiple people claiming authorship, and no way to discern it. You don't think this could be used to further muddy the waters? What about Das Kapital, or the Bread Book? Do you think it would have been acceptable to allow the national socialists to claim those as their own, with no methodology to disprove it?
If you pass off an academic thesis as your own I’m assuming it’s for something like a grade?
It's a requirement of a degree, typically. It is a form of evidence you are capable in your field before receiving accreditation.
That sounds like cheating.
Okay, so plagiarism is a form of cheating. If you really want we can say "Joe cheated by xeroxing, 1:1, an exact copy of this paper written by another potential doctor" every time, but I personally prefer a single word. Enjoy my run-on sentences being worse if you get your way.
I welcome evidence of any successful leftist state project that did not give credit to authors, filmmakers, etc. Legitimately curious to see what that would look like.
A country without landlords would look cool yeah
Are you confusing copyright with acknowledgement of original work, maybe?
you'd have to describe the difference, I could be. I'm talking about when someone thinks they own an idea and can control how others use that idea (for example, requiring that person to acknowledge the original author of the work). Sort of like being a landlord over that idea and renting it out. Sometimes for a fee, sometimes just for recognition. If that's not right then yeah I'm probably mistaken. I think it's wrong to take domain over an idea to the point where you would try and control how someone else uses it. Let it go. But I understand people who feel otherwise (in housing as well as in intellectual property).
So I'm strongly against copyright, IP, etc. I'm also not talking about vague ideas, but rather a specific combination of words someone put together in order to make a functional joke.
For the term plagiarism I am using this particular definition:
I think there's benefit in knowing who wrote what specific book, what song, etc. I like following bands and authors, I like knowing whose work were influential and why, and I like knowing that my doctor didn't just copy the test notes from the guy next to him. In this sense the concept of plagiarism is important to me.
Your landlord example would be apt for my purposes. Just as people once just lived on land, posters here are simply vibing and entertaining, educating, and helping each other. Reposting, rephrasing a joke - great. :dead-dove-1: is my favorite example of this on the site.
The landlords here would be those who take those ideas and then exploit them for profit, resulting in a much higher standard of living than the original "author." These podcasts are all subject to copyright, branding, etc. The Chapo guys, strictly as an example, have stated they're against piracy of their "special" projects. That means the free things generated in leftist spaces are now part of that brand.
It's when you stop other people from acting in order to obtain this benefit that crosses the line for me. I think it's a great if you want to know the original author of a work, and I wish you could get that information in a way that didn't involve punishing folks for their behavior. But it doesn't seem to me like those things can be separated.
Stealing answers on a test isn't plagiarism it's cheating you should respect the difference if you're discussing in good faith.
Plagiarism is just stolen valor for nerds
Again, I'm talking about a verbatim copy with no new material. I sincerely, in good faith, am trying to believe you do not think an ideal world is one where there's 8000 people claiming to have authored the exact same copy of Lord of the Rings. We need this to understand history; who said what, and why.
I do not understand why putting somewhere, anywhere, on your art "original idea by whoever" is such a big ask. You can even say "The rapist, George Orwell, came up with this initially and we fixed it." I do not care.
Okay, fine, you're right. But how about xeroxing a thesis or dissertation, and passing it off as your own?
Okay, but you're failing to address the implications of what you're suggesting.
I honestly don't see the implications.
I am not lying when I say I don't care how many Lord of the Rings versions there are. Someone will recommend one to me.
If you pass off an academic thesis as your own I'm assuming it's for something like a grade? That sounds like cheating. Same as copying answers. Not plagiarism. If you're passing off an academic thesis on your website blog as your own, no one is harmed.
I don't think you need to mandate author tracking to understand history. But I am open to considering how to make sure a society can function.
So then, let's pick on a target I assume we both dislike. Do you think Joe Biden plagiarizing the speeches of others to attempt to gain the presidency was a good thing, and we should have just let him be president in 87?
Again, (1) version, singular. With multiple people claiming authorship, and no way to discern it. You don't think this could be used to further muddy the waters? What about Das Kapital, or the Bread Book? Do you think it would have been acceptable to allow the national socialists to claim those as their own, with no methodology to disprove it?
It's a requirement of a degree, typically. It is a form of evidence you are capable in your field before receiving accreditation.
Okay, so plagiarism is a form of cheating. If you really want we can say "Joe cheated by xeroxing, 1:1, an exact copy of this paper written by another potential doctor" every time, but I personally prefer a single word. Enjoy my run-on sentences being worse if you get your way.