Nope, that's just a straw man you're making because you don't have any actual counterpoint. What I'm actually saying is that mental health problems caused by capitalism should be treated by dealing with capitalist exploitation that causes these problems instead of papering over them using drugs. Evidently this is too complex a concept for you to comprehend, so only thing you can do is bleat about communism while providing further examples of capitalist exploitation like Foxconn.
Obviously capitalism has problems, and obviously fixing them would help. But its not like depression would end. And its not like people in China arnt depressed and if psychedelic therapy was used there to help people, I don't think you would be shittalking it. The foxconn factory I'm talking about is in shenzen, so why don't you advocate for psychedelic therapy there? Clearly the horrors of capitalism are also ravishing China, so do they not benefit from psychedelics?
Nobody is arguing that depression would end. Again, this is just the straw man you keep trotting out here. Try engaging with what's actually being said for a change.
Im legitimately trying to understand why you think psychedelic therapy is bad...
you say its papering over the root cause of mental illness, while simultaneously acknowledging that removing the so called "root cause" would still leave a need for it. so why then is it not a good thing? why is the title of your post not: "psycadelic therapy helps americans, its time to bring it to china!"
It seems obvious your prerogative is to shittalk everything done in the US while papering over the same exact issues in china.
I don't think that psychedelic therapy is bad, and I've repeatedly stated this throughout the conversation. Please actually read what I wrote, and then reply to the points I actually made. Thank you.
The actual point, that I've repeated in many different ways here, is that problems caused by capitalist exploitation need to be addressed instead of being papered over. Why is it so hard for you to engage with the point being made?
People in China suffering from psychological problems would benefit from therapy the same way any other people suffering from similar problems would benefit. This should be obvious to anybody with a functioning brain. The fact that you felt the need to ask the question is quite strange to be honest.
Meanwhile, as I've repeatedly explained, whether using therapy is papering over anything or not is a question of whether the underlying cause of mental problems could be addressed instead or not. Let me know if you're still struggling with understanding this.
I believe that using therapy instead of treating underlying causes amounts to papering over those causes. The location is utterly irrelevant to the point I'm making. I'm guessing China lives rent free in your head, and you're evidently unable to form a thought independent of the word China.
I just want to expose your BS propaganda headlines for what they are. You frame everything as a failing of america, when in this case having KAP is a sign of progress for america. And not having it is a sign of failure from China. You say papering over underlying problems is a bad thing, but when I mention the mental issues of the tibetans and the uyghurs you jump at the opportunity to paper over their plight by saying their lives get better ever year. When I mention the foxconn workers in China, you paper over it by saying its taiwans fault.
You claim to support psychedelic therapy but where is your post that praises it? Where is your post that suggests it be brought to China? The fact of the matter is that you don't care about the welfare of depressed people, you just want to make shitposts about how bad america is.
If you mean you want to make a clown of yourself by making an incoherent argument that has nothing to do with what I say, then you're doing a fantastic job of that!
My post wasn't about support for or against psychedelic therapy, that's just a hamfisted straw man you keep trying to build. What I was talking about is how people are drugged up so they can put up with capitalist exploitation. It's really adorable how you think you're being very clever here while making a transparently idiotic attempt at an argument. Do better.
How do you know that psychedelic therapy papers over anything?
If you knew anything about it, you would know that its exactly the type of thing that would open people minds to the reality of capitalist exploitation.
But it is obvious you don't care about depression or therapy and are just looking for bullshit to feed your fellow commies
How do you know that psychedelic therapy papers over anything?
If you don't understand how poor work environment and being overworked causes mental problems, then you should educate yourself instead of clowning around here.
If you knew anything about it, you would know that its exactly the type of thing that would open people minds to the reality of capitalist exploitation.
Being a pampered little brat this may come as a shock to you, but being exploited is what opens up people's minds to the reality of capitalist exploitation.
But it is obvious you don’t care about depression or therapy and are just looking for bullshit to feed your fellow commies
Ah back to your straw man since you don't have an actual argument to make. I love how predictable you are.
I haven't deflected any of your points, but I guess we've already established that you just keep lying here instead of engaging in honest discussion.
Cool, then we just don’t do anything and the problem solves itself. Great thinking!
US becoming increasingly polarized and politically unstable, so yeah problem is solving itself. Eventually this shithole of a country will implode on itself and the rest of the world will finally be able to breathe.
How do you know that psychedelic therapy papers over anything?
That's literally the concept of using any form of therapy to deal with work related stess. Solving the issue involves changing your work conditions and removing the source of stress, while using mindfulness and medication is just a sticking plaster to numb yourself to the cause.
You're trying to use the socratic method but you need to ask questions that aren't fucking stupid for that to work.
People go to therapy for non-work-related reasons.
Eliminating capitalism will not remove the need for therapy.
The whole point of therapy is to help you deal with your life, and Its obvious you're prejudiced against therapy altogether. I swear, you commies would be against clean drinking water if it was an american policy.
Am I really going to have to argue with some stupid loser who has to reframe things without the context I specifically included so their argument makes sense? Nobody goes to therapy for work related stress for non work related reasons you fucking dweeb. Go sit on the shitter and look at the backs of shampoo bottles until you learn to read.
Ah yes, they need all that therapy from their lives improving each and every year. You make an excellent point kiddo.
You're unironically saying that only people in capitalist countries need therapy and people under communism simply don't get depressed?
Nope, that's just a straw man you're making because you don't have any actual counterpoint. What I'm actually saying is that mental health problems caused by capitalism should be treated by dealing with capitalist exploitation that causes these problems instead of papering over them using drugs. Evidently this is too complex a concept for you to comprehend, so only thing you can do is bleat about communism while providing further examples of capitalist exploitation like Foxconn.
Obviously capitalism has problems, and obviously fixing them would help. But its not like depression would end. And its not like people in China arnt depressed and if psychedelic therapy was used there to help people, I don't think you would be shittalking it. The foxconn factory I'm talking about is in shenzen, so why don't you advocate for psychedelic therapy there? Clearly the horrors of capitalism are also ravishing China, so do they not benefit from psychedelics?
Nobody is arguing that depression would end. Again, this is just the straw man you keep trotting out here. Try engaging with what's actually being said for a change.
Im legitimately trying to understand why you think psychedelic therapy is bad...
you say its papering over the root cause of mental illness, while simultaneously acknowledging that removing the so called "root cause" would still leave a need for it. so why then is it not a good thing? why is the title of your post not: "psycadelic therapy helps americans, its time to bring it to china!"
It seems obvious your prerogative is to shittalk everything done in the US while papering over the same exact issues in china.
I don't think that psychedelic therapy is bad, and I've repeatedly stated this throughout the conversation. Please actually read what I wrote, and then reply to the points I actually made. Thank you.
OK so psychedelic therapy is good, its just evidence that america is bad?
The actual point, that I've repeated in many different ways here, is that problems caused by capitalist exploitation need to be addressed instead of being papered over. Why is it so hard for you to engage with the point being made?
So would the Chinese people be better off with psychedelic therapy?
And if so would that be papering over anything?
People in China suffering from psychological problems would benefit from therapy the same way any other people suffering from similar problems would benefit. This should be obvious to anybody with a functioning brain. The fact that you felt the need to ask the question is quite strange to be honest.
Meanwhile, as I've repeatedly explained, whether using therapy is papering over anything or not is a question of whether the underlying cause of mental problems could be addressed instead or not. Let me know if you're still struggling with understanding this.
OK, so you then believe that psycadelic therapy in China would be papering over the underlying causes of their depression?
I believe that using therapy instead of treating underlying causes amounts to papering over those causes. The location is utterly irrelevant to the point I'm making. I'm guessing China lives rent free in your head, and you're evidently unable to form a thought independent of the word China.
I just want to expose your BS propaganda headlines for what they are. You frame everything as a failing of america, when in this case having KAP is a sign of progress for america. And not having it is a sign of failure from China. You say papering over underlying problems is a bad thing, but when I mention the mental issues of the tibetans and the uyghurs you jump at the opportunity to paper over their plight by saying their lives get better ever year. When I mention the foxconn workers in China, you paper over it by saying its taiwans fault.
You claim to support psychedelic therapy but where is your post that praises it? Where is your post that suggests it be brought to China? The fact of the matter is that you don't care about the welfare of depressed people, you just want to make shitposts about how bad america is.
If you mean you want to make a clown of yourself by making an incoherent argument that has nothing to do with what I say, then you're doing a fantastic job of that!
My post wasn't about support for or against psychedelic therapy, that's just a hamfisted straw man you keep trying to build. What I was talking about is how people are drugged up so they can put up with capitalist exploitation. It's really adorable how you think you're being very clever here while making a transparently idiotic attempt at an argument. Do better.
How do you know that psychedelic therapy papers over anything?
If you knew anything about it, you would know that its exactly the type of thing that would open people minds to the reality of capitalist exploitation.
But it is obvious you don't care about depression or therapy and are just looking for bullshit to feed your fellow commies
If you don't understand how poor work environment and being overworked causes mental problems, then you should educate yourself instead of clowning around here.
Being a pampered little brat this may come as a shock to you, but being exploited is what opens up people's minds to the reality of capitalist exploitation.
Ah back to your straw man since you don't have an actual argument to make. I love how predictable you are.
Good job deflecting on every one of my points
Cool, then we just don't do anything and the problem solves itself. Great thinking!
I haven't deflected any of your points, but I guess we've already established that you just keep lying here instead of engaging in honest discussion.
US becoming increasingly polarized and politically unstable, so yeah problem is solving itself. Eventually this shithole of a country will implode on itself and the rest of the world will finally be able to breathe.
That's literally the concept of using any form of therapy to deal with work related stess. Solving the issue involves changing your work conditions and removing the source of stress, while using mindfulness and medication is just a sticking plaster to numb yourself to the cause.
You're trying to use the socratic method but you need to ask questions that aren't fucking stupid for that to work.
People go to therapy for non-work-related reasons.
Eliminating capitalism will not remove the need for therapy.
The whole point of therapy is to help you deal with your life, and Its obvious you're prejudiced against therapy altogether. I swear, you commies would be against clean drinking water if it was an american policy.
Am I really going to have to argue with some stupid loser who has to reframe things without the context I specifically included so their argument makes sense? Nobody goes to therapy for work related stress for non work related reasons you fucking dweeb. Go sit on the shitter and look at the backs of shampoo bottles until you learn to read.