Just wondering who to credit with this incredibly useful phrase?

        • pumpchilienthusiast [comrade/them, any]
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          The 30 Years War podcast he has been doing with Chris Wade is fire and helpful in understanding the unholy birth of capitalism and how we got here. I miss the righteously angry, frothing, gets-the-building-security-called-on-him-because-he-is-yelling-so-loud Matt, but we all gotta get old sometime. Also, I am descended from a long line of midwestern oafs so take that for what you will.

        • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          I know him fairly well but haven't listened to the podcast in some time. He had some of the better takes of the Chapo boys from what I remember.

  • bobdolesflaccidunit [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I watched a bunch of old Chomsky speeches a while back and I kinda feel like he said it in one of them, but I could just be assigning it to him incorrectly. He was definitely elaborating on the idea anyway.

    • chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      It's the gist of a lot of what he talks about so I'm sure he's said very similar things many different ways.

      As compared with the other capitalist democracies, the United States is considerably more rigid and doctrinaire in its political thinking and analysis.

      • https://chomsky.info/responsibility01/ (Excerpted from Language and Responsibility, Pantheon, 1977)

      On climate change:

      Here’s an interesting case of manufacture of consent and does it work? You take a look at international polls on global warming, Americans, who are the most propagandized on this — I mean, there’s huge propaganda efforts to make it believe it’s not happening — they’re a little below the norm, so there’s some effect of the propaganda.

      • https://chomsky.info/20141003/ (interview with Chris Hedges, October 3, 2014)
  • CatEars420 [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I think this an observation most woke SJW Anarcho-Marxists have made at some point and the phrase can't really be attributed to anyone in particular

    It's like when unconnected scientist across the world make the same discovery around the same time, it's something that pops up naturally to anyone dedicated to thinking about it hard enough

  • blobjim [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I would prefer "indoctrinated". "Propagandized" isn't a word and makes you sound even more like an internet weirdo.

    • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Why do you think it's not a word? It seems to be in multiple major dictionaries, including Merriam-Webster. Peak print usage seems to have been immediately after WWII:

      https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=7&case_insensitive=on&content=propagandized

      • blobjim [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        idk it just sounds weird. You don't see it in other tenses often.

        • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          It serves a niche function. Its not quite synonymous with 'indoctrinated'. People can be propagandized but not indoctrinated, since 'propagandized' only speaks to the attempt, and does not say whether the imparting of a stance is successful.

  • wrecker_vs_dracula [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    :galaxy-brain: Destigmatize the term "propaganda". Mass communication can also be useful and good. It just so happens that in the case of the USA, there is much propaganda that is socially harmful.