See, based on what you mean by liberal, I don't know whether that means "the current potus is a dem" or "of course because everyone is a liberal there"
Upholds the modern nation state and is thus against monarchy (against whom the first liberals rebelled against)
Upholds capitalism and market economies, and with it property rights
Upholds electoral parliamentary systems of governance
Usually believes in some version of the social contract or similar theory from which the legitimacy of the nation state and capitalism is derived.
This describes the bulk of the Democrat and Republican parties. US politics doesn't have a left-wing as it is understood in the rest of the world, our center is between two right-wing ideologies.
Upholds the modern nation state and is thus against monarchy (against whom the first liberals rebelled against)
Upholds capitalism and market economies, and with it property rights
Upholds electoral parliamentary systems of governance
Usually believes in some version of the social contract or similar theory from which the legitimacy of the nation state and capitalism is derived.
Anyone from the left complaining about liberals is using this definition of liberals (typically). The basic reasoning for using this definition if liberal is that it has always been the definition of liberal and has only changed recently in some parts of the world. It is also not necessary to change the definition because the "progressive liberals" also mostly fit the old definition either way. Pretty much every serious socialist political theory will start with a criticism of the philosophy of liberalism.
I get and agree with the spirit but "western liberals" doesn't mean anything
It does. Literally the president of the United States as a prime example.
See, based on what you mean by liberal, I don't know whether that means "the current potus is a dem" or "of course because everyone is a liberal there"
Do you mean everyone in the US is a liberal? No I don't believe that nor did I imply it. I only mentioned the president.
From further up the thread
This describes the bulk of the Democrat and Republican parties. US politics doesn't have a left-wing as it is understood in the rest of the world, our center is between two right-wing ideologies.
A liberal is someone who:
Anyone from the left complaining about liberals is using this definition of liberals (typically). The basic reasoning for using this definition if liberal is that it has always been the definition of liberal and has only changed recently in some parts of the world. It is also not necessary to change the definition because the "progressive liberals" also mostly fit the old definition either way. Pretty much every serious socialist political theory will start with a criticism of the philosophy of liberalism.