I always find this Roderic Day essay pretty useful in analysing this in terms of what will and agency the actual masses have, not that people don't get fooled at all by propaganda but that on some level they often want to be fooled, and perceive a benefit to being fooled and going along with it.
I find it really funny that Osama’s speech to the American people, he blames them for the faults of the government. But at the end he becomes a liberal and just says “you must vote for better representatives.”
Backers of such military action against Iran undoubtedly would sell the war as an effort to keep nuclear weapons out of the Middle East, and many Americans would believe that sales pitch, even though that is not at all what would be happening.
If we look at it through the lens provided in the essay, many Americans would be indifferent to the reality of the pitch, because they can read the same pitch that the guys making it are reading, which is that it furthers US hegemony and dominance, as well as other specific US geopolitical goals like keeping Israel secure as a western enclave in the region.
*(little bit sectarian in one place, anarchists of today seem incomparable to anarchists of nihilism, who, for one, murdered lots of dudes and were first “terrorists”)
He's basically been arguing for a while that Nietzsche is a kind of ur-fascist thinker, and anytime he argues that there seems to be a handful of leftists that start telling him that actually thats his sister distorting his writings or whatever.
I dont usually see leftists otherwise try and quote or use Nietzsche, but theres definitely a tendency to go in defense of him against accusations of fascism.
I guess he disagrees with that interpretation and finds Nietzsche fundamentally reactionary in more ways than just antisemitism.
But truth be told I'm not particularly read into these arguments cause I neither read Nietzsche nor have I ever had to argue with anyone who did. Just providing context for why he randomly veered into yelling about left-Nietzscheans.
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
I always find this Roderic Day essay pretty useful in analysing this in terms of what will and agency the actual masses have, not that people don't get fooled at all by propaganda but that on some level they often want to be fooled, and perceive a benefit to being fooled and going along with it.
I find it really funny that Osama’s speech to the American people, he blames them for the faults of the government. But at the end he becomes a liberal and just says “you must vote for better representatives.”
:maybe-later-kiddo: "See, even Osama knew the solution wasn't violent revolution but voting!"
kinda makes you think huh
Like for example with this excerpt.
If we look at it through the lens provided in the essay, many Americans would be indifferent to the reality of the pitch, because they can read the same pitch that the guys making it are reading, which is that it furthers US hegemony and dominance, as well as other specific US geopolitical goals like keeping Israel secure as a western enclave in the region.
Damn, that’s a banger
*(little bit sectarian in one place, anarchists of today seem incomparable to anarchists of nihilism, who, for one, murdered lots of dudes and were first “terrorists”)
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He's basically been arguing for a while that Nietzsche is a kind of ur-fascist thinker, and anytime he argues that there seems to be a handful of leftists that start telling him that actually thats his sister distorting his writings or whatever.
I dont usually see leftists otherwise try and quote or use Nietzsche, but theres definitely a tendency to go in defense of him against accusations of fascism.
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I guess he disagrees with that interpretation and finds Nietzsche fundamentally reactionary in more ways than just antisemitism.
But truth be told I'm not particularly read into these arguments cause I neither read Nietzsche nor have I ever had to argue with anyone who did. Just providing context for why he randomly veered into yelling about left-Nietzscheans.
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