have you seen Star Wars which has Han Solo being sarcastic and too-cool-for-this for 3 whole films
like yeah, it can be poorly received if you don't establish a character and earn the payoff of a half-joke like that, but that is not inherent to putting it in a movie.
define this 'kind' of banter in such a way that it includes the first episode 7 quip, but not any of the other ones we're fine with. my whole thesis is that irony, sarcasm, lampshading etc. are things that can be done well and people just don't like when they don't land :edgeworth-shrug: and who likes a joke when it isn't funny? ascribing anything deeper to it doesn't work when we can find dozens of beloved similar lines and occurrences with the chief difference being they work!
i don't know what this argument is about, i fully appreciate the way that scene does not entertain a lot of people.
the more you get into it the more unique and less identifiable with broader trends it becomes, and the less you can use it as a yardstick to judge other writing. 99% of quips are not in the same room as Dark Helmet, in a situation that will threaten the speaker's mortality. that's not a problem with 'whedonisms' its a problem-with-joking-when-the-villain-has-the-protagonist-in-their-power.
"Marvel soy banter" is a vacuous complaint
people don't like repartee and witticisms that aren't funny and enjoyable. if the performers dont have good chemistry
people appreciate it when its done well. its barely even a trope because the contexts and applications of "banter" are ridiculously broad,
anyone mad about it I guarantee you 1000% uses the word bazinga too much "ironically"
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I remember that and it bothered tf out of me
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have you seen Star Wars which has Han Solo being sarcastic and too-cool-for-this for 3 whole films
like yeah, it can be poorly received if you don't establish a character and earn the payoff of a half-joke like that, but that is not inherent to putting it in a movie.
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boring conversation anyway literally a phone call bit
and as i said, it works because he has characterization, they didn't pull it in his introductory scene
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define this 'kind' of banter in such a way that it includes the first episode 7 quip, but not any of the other ones we're fine with. my whole thesis is that irony, sarcasm, lampshading etc. are things that can be done well and people just don't like when they don't land :edgeworth-shrug: and who likes a joke when it isn't funny? ascribing anything deeper to it doesn't work when we can find dozens of beloved similar lines and occurrences with the chief difference being they work!
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i don't know what this argument is about, i fully appreciate the way that scene does not entertain a lot of people.
the more you get into it the more unique and less identifiable with broader trends it becomes, and the less you can use it as a yardstick to judge other writing. 99% of quips are not in the same room as Dark Helmet, in a situation that will threaten the speaker's mortality. that's not a problem with 'whedonisms' its a problem-with-joking-when-the-villain-has-the-protagonist-in-their-power.