Power sliding in the parking garage is certainly dumb. But I’ll note they didn’t quit their jobs to become professional car thieves.
You're willing to believe people power sliding into parking spaces but you're not willing to believe impressionable young people don't decide to enlist when they don't economically have to while barking out Starship Troopers quotes and even calling me from Basic to say "I'm doing my part" :im-doing-my-part: a few weeks in?
Incredible claims require incredible evidence.
I don't think my claim is incredible, however, I contend that your "no influence" claim is already showing cracks if you can already concede to my example of Tokyo Drifting.
You’re willing to believe people power sliding into parking spaces but you’re not willing to believe impressionable young people don’t decide to enlist
Yes. Because one is an trivial impulse decision and the other is a career choice five years minimum.
I don’t think my claim is incredible
I watched Hairy and the Hendersons once and now I think Bigfoot is real.
Yes. Because one is an trivial impulse decision and the other is a career choice five years minimum.
You have seriously never met or been related to someone making bad impulsive decisions with minimal forethought to them that had years of consequences before? :what-the-hell:
I watched Hairy and the Hendersons once and now I think Bigfoot is real.
That isn't the same thing as misunderstood satire being taken as actual fascist propaganda and getting internalized as such. If it was, apparently UKIP believes in Bigfoot.
You have seriously never met or been related to someone making bad impulsive decisions with minimal forethought to them that had years of consequences before?
There is an abundance of demographic data that predicts which kinds of people are most likely to enlist. Social and economic precarity. History of family enlistment. Access to higher education. Regional geopolitics (ie, 9/11).
I've yet to see a successful military recruitment drive that involved repeated screenings of Starship Troopers.
That isn’t the same thing
Its the same Culture War nonsense I've been seeing my entire life. Starship Troopers turned my daughter into a war criminal! Teletubbies made my son start wearing a purse! Showgirls turned me into a pole dancer!
apparently UKIP believes in Bigfoot
They are one of the worst-run parties in a country overflowing with dogshit politicians. It would not surprise me even slightly to find out half their leadership bought into some kind of Cryptid hoax.
I actually want you to be right about what you claim, because it would mean that the Department of Defense is really wasting its time and surely never has gotten a single recruit through coercive messaging in entertainment, never ever, and that would be a good thing. https://gamerant.com/call-duty-modern-warfare-recruitment-tool/
Starship Troopers turned my daughter into a war criminal!
You're hyperbolizing what I said into something I never claimed. That isn't going to go anywhere good. On the other hand, you're continuing to claim there's no measurable influence from entertainment on its consumers, ever ever ever, because... vibes. I guess. :wall-talk:
I'm supposing Reese's Pieces didn't sell a single additional bag of candy after E.T. was a hit. And that Epic Meal Time didn't cause a spike in bacon consumption. And that "fight clubs" would have popped up on college campuses from the aether with or without the Brad Pitt movie because "material conditions." Anything, everything, but accepting that maybe entertainment can influence people. :debord-tired:
the Department of Defense is really wasting its time and surely never has gotten a single recruit through coercive messaging
The coercive messaging over the last 20 years has only gone up while recruitment has only gone down. There's definitely some value in the Pentagon reminding people that a career in the military exists. But if I had to guess how many people signed up to join the Navy after walking out of the the latest Top Gun versus how many joined the Navy because a recruiter showed up at their school and directly propositioned them, I'd consider a 1:100 spread generous on the side of direct recruitment.
You’re hyperbolizing what I said into something I never claimed.
Starship Troopers -> provoked me into joining the military -> So now I'm participating in war crimes...
Which step did I hyperbolize?
I’m supposing Reese’s Pieces didn’t sell a single additional bag of candy after E.T. was a hit.
Selecting a particular brand of candy to eat is not comparable to dedicating the next five years of your life to indentured servitude.
But you're right. We've definitely hit :wall-talk:
The coercive messaging over the last 20 years has only gone up while recruitment has only gone down. There’s definitely some value in the Pentagon reminding people that a career in the military exists. But if I had to guess how many people signed up to join the Navy after walking out of the the latest Top Gun versus how many joined the Navy because a recruiter showed up at their school and directly propositioned them, I’d consider a 1:100 spread generous on the side of direct recruitment.
It's possible that recruitment would have gone further down without such marketing gimmicks within entertainment. We don't live in that universe to know for sure, nor do we live in the universe where my most ignorant older cousin joined the military anyway, without that movie inspiring him, with him still quitting halfway through nursing school. Maybe a "material conditions" invisible hand would have caused spikes in Reese's Pieces sales with or without E.T. coming to theaters, spikes in bacon consumption with or without Epic Meal Time glorifying it, and "fight clubs" were inevitable with or without Brad Pitt's movie. Who's to say?
My argument is that it's a more extraordinary claim to say that there's no influence of any meaningful sort.
Which step did I hyperbolize?
Starship Troopers -> provoked me into joining the military -> So now I’m participating in war crimes…
Yes, my older cousin may very well have done those but I don't know the full extent of his participation. All I know is he was "doing his part!" :im-doing-my-part: last time he called me all those years ago.
Selecting a particular brand of candy to eat is not comparable to dedicating the next five years of your life to indentured servitude.
I think it's very optimistically presumptive of you to believe no one ever, ever makes long term commitments that start from brief impulsive decisions. Vegas marriages don't real either, I suppose.
You're willing to believe people power sliding into parking spaces but you're not willing to believe impressionable young people don't decide to enlist when they don't economically have to while barking out Starship Troopers quotes and even calling me from Basic to say "I'm doing my part" :im-doing-my-part: a few weeks in?
I don't think my claim is incredible, however, I contend that your "no influence" claim is already showing cracks if you can already concede to my example of Tokyo Drifting.
Yes. Because one is an trivial impulse decision and the other is a career choice five years minimum.
I watched Hairy and the Hendersons once and now I think Bigfoot is real.
You have seriously never met or been related to someone making bad impulsive decisions with minimal forethought to them that had years of consequences before? :what-the-hell:
That isn't the same thing as misunderstood satire being taken as actual fascist propaganda and getting internalized as such. If it was, apparently UKIP believes in Bigfoot.
https://twitter.com/eds209/status/1031122253461811200
There is an abundance of demographic data that predicts which kinds of people are most likely to enlist. Social and economic precarity. History of family enlistment. Access to higher education. Regional geopolitics (ie, 9/11).
I've yet to see a successful military recruitment drive that involved repeated screenings of Starship Troopers.
Its the same Culture War nonsense I've been seeing my entire life. Starship Troopers turned my daughter into a war criminal! Teletubbies made my son start wearing a purse! Showgirls turned me into a pole dancer!
They are one of the worst-run parties in a country overflowing with dogshit politicians. It would not surprise me even slightly to find out half their leadership bought into some kind of Cryptid hoax.
I actually want you to be right about what you claim, because it would mean that the Department of Defense is really wasting its time and surely never has gotten a single recruit through coercive messaging in entertainment, never ever, and that would be a good thing. https://gamerant.com/call-duty-modern-warfare-recruitment-tool/
You're hyperbolizing what I said into something I never claimed. That isn't going to go anywhere good. On the other hand, you're continuing to claim there's no measurable influence from entertainment on its consumers, ever ever ever, because... vibes. I guess. :wall-talk:
I'm supposing Reese's Pieces didn't sell a single additional bag of candy after E.T. was a hit. And that Epic Meal Time didn't cause a spike in bacon consumption. And that "fight clubs" would have popped up on college campuses from the aether with or without the Brad Pitt movie because "material conditions." Anything, everything, but accepting that maybe entertainment can influence people. :debord-tired:
The coercive messaging over the last 20 years has only gone up while recruitment has only gone down. There's definitely some value in the Pentagon reminding people that a career in the military exists. But if I had to guess how many people signed up to join the Navy after walking out of the the latest Top Gun versus how many joined the Navy because a recruiter showed up at their school and directly propositioned them, I'd consider a 1:100 spread generous on the side of direct recruitment.
Starship Troopers -> provoked me into joining the military -> So now I'm participating in war crimes...
Which step did I hyperbolize?
Selecting a particular brand of candy to eat is not comparable to dedicating the next five years of your life to indentured servitude.
But you're right. We've definitely hit :wall-talk:
It's possible that recruitment would have gone further down without such marketing gimmicks within entertainment. We don't live in that universe to know for sure, nor do we live in the universe where my most ignorant older cousin joined the military anyway, without that movie inspiring him, with him still quitting halfway through nursing school. Maybe a "material conditions" invisible hand would have caused spikes in Reese's Pieces sales with or without E.T. coming to theaters, spikes in bacon consumption with or without Epic Meal Time glorifying it, and "fight clubs" were inevitable with or without Brad Pitt's movie. Who's to say?
My argument is that it's a more extraordinary claim to say that there's no influence of any meaningful sort.
Yes, my older cousin may very well have done those but I don't know the full extent of his participation. All I know is he was "doing his part!" :im-doing-my-part: last time he called me all those years ago.
I think it's very optimistically presumptive of you to believe no one ever, ever makes long term commitments that start from brief impulsive decisions. Vegas marriages don't real either, I suppose.
How are the bricks on your side? :wall-talk: