there is no safety net beyond banning jokes that could catch someone so historically ignorant as to enlist in the actual army over fucking starship troopers. we cannot blueprint society from immaculately hilarious edgecases.
off-the-charts failure of society that level of ignorance and possibility for enlistment may be, lying that blame at the feet of the satirists is unfair. testimony in the thread alleges the game sticks to the film's themes so we shouldn't jump to the assumption this game is engaging in glorification & making people enlist.
Chuds, in large numbers, utterly missed the point of the movie's satire and chant its slogans and lines like gospel, including offline.
It's going to go nowhere forever if we're going to discuss what amounts to scenarios of alternate universes where chuds are observed without one specific piece of entertainment influencing them versus the entire intersectional rest, so I'd rather not.
I'm just going to continue contending that no one is immune to propaganda (even unintentional messaging) and entertainment does have some influence on people even if it's not always clear or predictable to what extent on its own.
you're contending all this but what's your prescription? should satire not be made or shown on the grounds that people it targets sometimes embrace it?
I think it would be cool if we had a tradition of absurd comedic mask-removal scenes at the end of satires, or even in the end credits. They just get gradually more and more explicit until at some point they run into the camera and the director comes around into frame and is like GUYS DONT DO THIS ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?
Nothing in particular. I didn't even condemn the movie, let alone call for any action against it. I made subjective observations from personal experience and some excerpts from linked articles.
I don't particularly think satire is "worth it" most of the time if I had a choice in the matter, considering to how it's received in larger populations versus the "in the know" target audience. Even "A Modest Proposal" was grossly misunderstood when it was a recent thing. Some other people here said more on the subject and had a more direct criticism of satire itself as a genre and as an intent already. I'm not idealistic enough to really care about satire as some cool smart people insider art form that gets predictably misunderstood and misinterpreted with centuries of historical precedence. I don't think its existence is truly necessary and that the world as we know it isn't in dire artistic need of a more modern "Modest Proposal" made about climate refugees and what to do with them that would invite chuds to say "based" and quote it to each other.
EDIT: Rewrote the latter part of my reply and removed a potentially incendiary closing comment. I'm tired of this old song and dance and it showed. :debord-tired:
there is no safety net beyond banning jokes that could catch someone so historically ignorant as to enlist in the actual army over fucking starship troopers. we cannot blueprint society from immaculately hilarious edgecases.
off-the-charts failure of society that level of ignorance and possibility for enlistment may be, lying that blame at the feet of the satirists is unfair. testimony in the thread alleges the game sticks to the film's themes so we shouldn't jump to the assumption this game is engaging in glorification & making people enlist.
Chuds, in large numbers, utterly missed the point of the movie's satire and chant its slogans and lines like gospel, including offline.
It's going to go nowhere forever if we're going to discuss what amounts to scenarios of alternate universes where chuds are observed without one specific piece of entertainment influencing them versus the entire intersectional rest, so I'd rather not.
I'm just going to continue contending that no one is immune to propaganda (even unintentional messaging) and entertainment does have some influence on people even if it's not always clear or predictable to what extent on its own.
you're contending all this but what's your prescription? should satire not be made or shown on the grounds that people it targets sometimes embrace it?
I think it would be cool if we had a tradition of absurd comedic mask-removal scenes at the end of satires, or even in the end credits. They just get gradually more and more explicit until at some point they run into the camera and the director comes around into frame and is like GUYS DONT DO THIS ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?
Nothing in particular. I didn't even condemn the movie, let alone call for any action against it. I made subjective observations from personal experience and some excerpts from linked articles.
I don't particularly think satire is "worth it" most of the time if I had a choice in the matter, considering to how it's received in larger populations versus the "in the know" target audience. Even "A Modest Proposal" was grossly misunderstood when it was a recent thing. Some other people here said more on the subject and had a more direct criticism of satire itself as a genre and as an intent already. I'm not idealistic enough to really care about satire as some cool smart people insider art form that gets predictably misunderstood and misinterpreted with centuries of historical precedence. I don't think its existence is truly necessary and that the world as we know it isn't in dire artistic need of a more modern "Modest Proposal" made about climate refugees and what to do with them that would invite chuds to say "based" and quote it to each other.
EDIT: Rewrote the latter part of my reply and removed a potentially incendiary closing comment. I'm tired of this old song and dance and it showed. :debord-tired: