There's more to entertainment than satire and you don't need satire to shit on fascists. Satire is completely impotent because the people being satirized just need to say, "This but unironically." In many ways, satire is the ultimate lib genre, a completely impotent genre that has absolutely no persuasive power. When was the last time you say someone on the fence get convinced by a satire because almost every single fence-sitter I've encountered always characterize that satire as "too preachy and smug." It's a genre for people who already buy into the belief/argument/ideology circlejerking about how smart they are for getting the satire and how their opponents are too stoopid for not getting the satire while their "stoopid" opponents use the aesthetics and selected parts of the satire to further push their agenda unironically. Who's the stupid one, the ones who don't get the satire or the ones who think not getting the satire actually matter?
Satire has been so idealistically defended as some great and important thing that should be above criticism in this very thread that I'm... tired. Just tired of it.
Is having clever insider bits that hogs gobble up and oink about, saying "based" and blissful in their unintentional feeding, really that important a contribution to the arts? :debord-tired:
Satire is so powerful, which is why brilliant satire Full Metal Jacket gets shown at Marines boot camp. When Asian women get annoyed by lone men shouting "me so horny me love you long time" at them, you see, it's actually Asian women who are stoopid for not getting that the men are just referencing a brilliant satire and totally not sexually harassing them.
Satire is so powerful, which is why brilliant satire Full Metal Jacket gets shown at Marines boot camp.
And Army, too. :agony-minion:
Satire defenders in this thread are on the "entertainment has no effect on people" kick and it's impossible to prove (or disprove) a negative so that defense can go in circles forever and consist of imaginary worlds where people totally do what they do entirely because of their bank balance and what they had for breakfast, completely unaffected by their entertainment because "I didn't go out and act like a Terminator today after watching Terminator so no one is influenced by their entertainment, ever ever ever." :very-intelligent:
There's more to entertainment than satire and you don't need satire to shit on fascists. Satire is completely impotent because the people being satirized just need to say, "This but unironically." In many ways, satire is the ultimate lib genre, a completely impotent genre that has absolutely no persuasive power. When was the last time you say someone on the fence get convinced by a satire because almost every single fence-sitter I've encountered always characterize that satire as "too preachy and smug." It's a genre for people who already buy into the belief/argument/ideology circlejerking about how smart they are for getting the satire and how their opponents are too stoopid for not getting the satire while their "stoopid" opponents use the aesthetics and selected parts of the satire to further push their agenda unironically. Who's the stupid one, the ones who don't get the satire or the ones who think not getting the satire actually matter?
Satire has been so idealistically defended as some great and important thing that should be above criticism in this very thread that I'm... tired. Just tired of it.
Is having clever insider bits that hogs gobble up and oink about, saying "based" and blissful in their unintentional feeding, really that important a contribution to the arts? :debord-tired:
Satire is so powerful, which is why brilliant satire Full Metal Jacket gets shown at Marines boot camp. When Asian women get annoyed by lone men shouting "me so horny me love you long time" at them, you see, it's actually Asian women who are stoopid for not getting that the men are just referencing a brilliant satire and totally not sexually harassing them.
And Army, too. :agony-minion:
Satire defenders in this thread are on the "entertainment has no effect on people" kick and it's impossible to prove (or disprove) a negative so that defense can go in circles forever and consist of imaginary worlds where people totally do what they do entirely because of their bank balance and what they had for breakfast, completely unaffected by their entertainment because "I didn't go out and act like a Terminator today after watching Terminator so no one is influenced by their entertainment, ever ever ever." :very-intelligent: