I am looking for a new Android smartphone (currently on iOS).

Obviously I read about GrapheneOS as the „Gold Standard“ of alternative OS. But the downside is that it only runs on Pixels. Which is kinda weird to buy a device from a company you want to „boycott“ (de-Google).

On the other hand I kinda like the approach of Fairphone: most parts are easy repairable, parts are available and cheap compared to Google and Apple. But the downside here is that it isn’t supported by GrapheneOS, doesn’t have the most capable hardware for the price and probably won’t get 7 years of updates like the Pixel 8a in comparison.

So that leaves me with a „analysis paralysis“: I have to choose a device and a CustomROM.

/e/OS does seem interesting but I read some comments that it isn’t that secure like GrapheneOS. I don’t need that high-level of security but it should be significantly more than stock Android to be worth all the hassle by installing/using a CustomROM. On the other hand I don’t want to sacrifice every comfort for the sake of the last bit of (theoretical) security.

Did someone go down this path as well recently and can share some experiences? Maybe there is even some better alternative.

  • DetachablePianist@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    If you buy a new Pixel and then run an alt rom like graphene or lineage, you're most likeley costing Google money. I believe they manufacture the Pixel at a small loss because they expect to make their money back harvesting and selling your personal data. Denying them that should mean you get decent hardware at a fair price, without really "supporting" Google as much as you fear. I could be wrong, but I've definitely seen that mentioned before.

  • ArchRecord@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    Even if you buy a phone that isn't a pixel, then you just end up giving money to a different privacy-invasive corporation that will continue to partner with Google for search deals and surveillance advertising.

    Pixels have wide aftermarket repair parts available, relatively reasonable pricing, and the largest support from custom roms since they all test on Pixels as a standard device. (same with app developers)

    Pixels often have longer update periods than other brands, and many custom roms provide extended security updates on top of that.

    Android development is guaranteed to continue supporting at least the Pixel phones over all others, it'll be easier to repair down the line, and the money Google makes from the sale is nothing compared to the money they'll lose by having less power to surveil you.

    And as much as I like Fairphone, the specs just aren't worth the cost currently, although they are catching up as time goes on.

    I personally use a Pixel with GrapheneOS, and it works better than any phone from Samsung I've owned in the past. (plus it's usually a bit easier to unlock the bootloader)

    Just make sure that, no matter what phone you buy, you don't buy it through your carrier, as that will make your bootloader un-unlockable unless you pay off the full payment plan and have a carrier that supports unlocking the bootloader in the first place.

    • DynamoSunshirtSandals@possumpat.io
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      4 months ago

      Hopefully the next Fairphone closes that spec gap. I could easily live with 2022 specs for a long time, giving plateauing performance gains, as long as the phone is supported with updates.

      Of course, I would also kill for a headphone jack and a 5.4-5.8" iphone mini-sized screen. It's so frustrating that I want to buy a fairphone but the compromises are too much.

      • ArchRecord@lemm.ee
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        4 months ago

        I think we'll probably see a phone comparable to at least 2022 specs in the coming years, since they seem to release a new model every 2-3 years, with pretty decent improvements each time. Especially with their growing partnerships with chip manufacturers, it might even be possible to keep prices more reasonable too.

        I currently use a phone released in 2022, and it's perfectly functional for all my needs. Would more performance be nice? Sure, but yeah, I don't actually need more than that.

        If Fairphone could reach that mark, I would consider my next replacement phone being a Fairphone, although the lack of GrapheneOS support is kind of a deal-breaker for any phone purchase for me right now.

  • Lawn_and_disorder [he/him]
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    4 months ago

    Next best thing to GOS would be Calyx OS. Seems only pixels are getting full updates unfortunataly.. https://calyxos.org/install/ The hardware on the pixels security wise is unfortunately hard to beat. Get a used one?

    E/OS seems like a good choice if you don't want to use a pixel.

  • sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today
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    4 months ago

    I wouldn't go e/os because it uses a much outdated Android version. Be careful of this when looking at other operating systems as lots are like this. On the other hand GrapheneOS is always up to date

  • FuzzyRedPanda@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    Sony's Xperia phones are fantastic and the bootloader can be unlocked on most models (check the sony bootloader unlock webpage to check). Xperia phones have a micro sd slot, headphone jack, and physical camera shutter button. I have an Xperia 1 iii running LineageOS w/microG and it's fantastic and stable. Bit of a learning curve to set it up though.

    Depending on where you live, I would recommend the new Xperia 1 VI; Sony is promising support for three OS versions and four years of security updates. It's not great but it is far better than what they previously promised with their phones.

  • dingdongitsabear@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    I feel the 50 years support claims, whether in hardware or software, should be of little concern; you'll grow tired of it, no one is going to rock the same phone for 10 years, replacing components as they fail and whatever Fairphone's delusion is.

    as to concrete recommendations, take a look at Xiaomi phones (Mi/Redmi/Poco/etc.). they ship with a bloated spyware called MIUI which is such a horrific mess on so many levels I can't begin to count the ways it sucks. even moderately competent phones have trouble keeping up with the bloat, they glitch out, drop frames, freeze, etc. so people just get rid of them and upgrade to something snappier. as a consequence, they can be had for cheap on the used market.

    the good news is, they have snapdragon models with super competent hardware and a good portion of them have lineageOS support (and by extension, many other derivative OS) - Poco F1 is one of the rare semi-modern phones that also has postmarketOS support.

    the bad news is, the bootloader unlock process takes a week, just because; do yourself a favor and don't connect this monstrosity to your LAN while you wait for the timer to expire. also, they're chaotic (to say the least) with their model naming, with zero consistency what each suffix means (T, Pro, etc.) and it's not rare that they do a model "refresh" where they replace snapdragon with mediatek in the "updated" version.

  • Zicoxy3@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    I have a "old" OnePlus 6t with LineageOS. I try /e/OS and i don't like me. if I had to buy a smartphone to install a rom in, I would look for a OnePlus 7-8....

  • pkotrcka@discuss.tchncs.de
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    4 months ago

    "...and probably won’t get 7 years of updates like the Pixel 8a in comparison." - yes it will.. FP5 will be supported until 2030, at least (so exactly 7 years from the release in 2023). Since they support their phones like this since FP2, I would trust them in this.