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This 'struggle session' has cut open a sore of cisnormativity which allows plausible deniability of transphobic action and thought. It's senseless and insensitive to push back against what should be a non-issue. Cis and trans alike, set your pronouns so as to normalize an aspect of trans inclusion that goes some way to dispel cishet patriarchal norms assumed default by almost every space, especially online.

There is no excuse (that hasn't been considered and discussed and where applicable, taken on board) to push back against this as we as a community have. We can (and should) do better.

  • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
    20·
    4 years ago

    this has been the definition of A Hellsite the last two days

    Literally only because this person keeps intentionally stirring shit. I've seen no one frustrated over this until @TransComrade69 decided she needed to abuse mod powers to start some dumbass struggle session over user flair.

    • qublics [they/them,she/her]
      2·
      4 years ago

      Absolutely agree. And what makes it most egregious is not implementing custom pronouns in any meaningful way at all.
      If they want to hammer on everyone setting pronouns, that is fine by me; but first make sure it is properly implemented.

      This system of approving only some pronouns to be on the drop-down is simply shit.
      Not everyone is comfortable asking or begging for their pronouns, especially now that they have to be acceptable for the pronouns list.

      There was not even the minimum effort of prepopulating that neopronouns list with many well known options beforehand.

      No effort has been made to deal with the contradiction between pronouns used by trolls and custom pronouns.
      And allowing no more than two selections has its own problems, especially considering there are some universal pronouns on that list.

      It might be as simple as allowing people to set entirely custom pronoun flairs after >10 posts with >10 hexbears on a >10 days old account.
      Then just banning those people (by then having an active account to lose) that abuse custom pronouns.

      There is no dialogue here, they implement these half-baked policies impulsively, without even a trial run or silent update first, then simultaneously put up sticky edicts, and react to criticism only after it has predictably blown up in their face.
      I have seriously been thinking about starting like a Chapo Independent Advisory Committee or some shit, just to discourage them from creating more pathetic clusterfucks like this one.

      There are real issues of misogyny, transphobia, queerphobia, and ignorance here. But restarting this struggle session again today is absolutely obnoxious and not going to solve anything. It is not enough to have convictions, the admins need to be more competent than this.

      And the notion that ciswomen, under pseudonyms on the internet, should out themselves and just deal with online misogyny, for feminism.
      A very nice theory but maybe let people make up their own fucking minds and change it whenever they feel ready.

      Even something as simple as adding more neopronouns in the first batch so there is a larger number of people using them at once, to dilute the trolling as it were, is somehow too complex for these admins to think about beforehand.

      Maybe the worst of it is how they have combined these completely separate issues: "Hey if more cis-people would set their pronouns that would be nice because reasons you probably have not thought about" and "Hey look we have neopronouns now!"

      In both cases TERFs, stupidpols, and some otherwise tedious cis-people get to whine about it; and then everyone agrees they should grow up or piss off.
      But now by combining these two events, and with extra spicy accusations, it was specifically setting up threads with cis-males that do not want to set their pronouns against those using neopronouns.

      Nice work admins. Maybe those wreckers were right after all. The road to hell is paved with good intentions?

      I'm not setting my pronouns on this stupid website again until neither I nor my queerest siblings have to fucking lie about it.
      And letting stupidpols and trans-respectability-politics whiners decide there is "no fun allowed for catgirls on ChapoChat" has left me wondering what is going on in Reddit/Twitter/Tumblr/Facebook groups where queer people are actually allowed to express themselves and just have fun with it.

      But noooo... it is a whole new day! There is nothing to do differently.... just relight the same dumpsterfire struggle sesh from yesterday. :dumpster-fire:

      Edit: at least Beatnik's just posted sticky was much better.