I saw the film last night and I enjoyed it. It was a bit long and could have done with better editing. They should have leaned harder into the musical elements. But it wasn't the train wreck I'd been led to believe it was.
I recommend people see it and make their own minds up
i rlly want to see it. i want it to be a proper musical but it sounds like it’s not :(
is it like the Barbie movie where it’s mostly just scenes that put more importance on the music and only one proper musical scene with singing and choreography?
I'd say there are maybe 8 to 10 musical numbers. They are all very short though and they are often interrupted. The movie is not a musical and anyone who says it is has clearly never seen a musical. About half of the numbers take place in some sort of liminal musical reality whilst the others take place directly where the characters are in the moment. I think they work very well which is why I wanted to see more of them. Sometimes it felt like they were scared to commit.
The rest of the film was good I thought, and I was never bored. I just wish they'd got the most out of the concept. It's sad that this will probably be the end of this continuity as I think it could have continued (albeit in a different direction).
About half of the numbers take place in some sort of liminal musical reality whilst the others take place directly where the characters are in the moment.
spoiler
That's to show were Arthur begins dissociating and when the Joker instead of Arthur is fronting. Arthur and the Joker are headmates, they're distinct personalities sharing one body, and the difference between song and dance with a subdued instrumental score in the normal set vs full musical number with change of scenery has a purpose in narrating what is going on with the system that is constituted by these two headmates (and possibly more, although their existence is only hinted at). I have just seen the movie and haven't yet talked about it with a friend who's both a massive musical and film nerd and also plural, so i'm gonna withhold judgement on how well they handled this topic, but it's fairly obvious to anybody who's spent some time with people with plural experiences that Arthur and the Joker are supposed to be different ego states within a system. It's also expressly stated in the film even though it uses outdated language like "multiple personality" and Harvey Dent acts purposefully ignorant on what that means and how to recognize it, but it's very clearly shown as well.
I also think this shows how ingrained ableism is with the chuds who criticize the movie - you can show the Joker as a "mentally ill loser in a society that doesn't care" and they clap as long as they can hallucinate him as a fight club tough guy sigma, but when you go all in on what "mentally ill loser in a society that doesn't care" means, how forensic psychiatry and legal institutions treat a neurodivergent person, when you realistically show what is going on inside their head, when you detail the complex trauma in their past, when you compellingly show their weakness and violation and pain, these hogs cannot handle it.
just watched it and still have no idea how to feel about it, but damn that was a bold swing and I gotta respect that. props to Mr. Hangover for making something that strange, experimental and risky for a major studio film. I agree, people should see the movie for themselves before judging it. a lot of people will jump on the hate train just because they see a low rotten tomatoes score and that's sad
I'm honestly not trying to be contrarian, but a lot of movies that catch massive hate online I actually end up liking. I only went to see this one because it was catching so much flak.
I saw the film last night and I enjoyed it. It was a bit long and could have done with better editing. They should have leaned harder into the musical elements. But it wasn't the train wreck I'd been led to believe it was.
I recommend people see it and make their own minds up
i rlly want to see it. i want it to be a proper musical but it sounds like it’s not :(
is it like the Barbie movie where it’s mostly just scenes that put more importance on the music and only one proper musical scene with singing and choreography?
I'd say there are maybe 8 to 10 musical numbers. They are all very short though and they are often interrupted. The movie is not a musical and anyone who says it is has clearly never seen a musical. About half of the numbers take place in some sort of liminal musical reality whilst the others take place directly where the characters are in the moment. I think they work very well which is why I wanted to see more of them. Sometimes it felt like they were scared to commit.
The rest of the film was good I thought, and I was never bored. I just wish they'd got the most out of the concept. It's sad that this will probably be the end of this continuity as I think it could have continued (albeit in a different direction).
spoiler
That's to show were Arthur begins dissociating and when the Joker instead of Arthur is fronting. Arthur and the Joker are headmates, they're distinct personalities sharing one body, and the difference between song and dance with a subdued instrumental score in the normal set vs full musical number with change of scenery has a purpose in narrating what is going on with the system that is constituted by these two headmates (and possibly more, although their existence is only hinted at). I have just seen the movie and haven't yet talked about it with a friend who's both a massive musical and film nerd and also plural, so i'm gonna withhold judgement on how well they handled this topic, but it's fairly obvious to anybody who's spent some time with people with plural experiences that Arthur and the Joker are supposed to be different ego states within a system. It's also expressly stated in the film even though it uses outdated language like "multiple personality" and Harvey Dent acts purposefully ignorant on what that means and how to recognize it, but it's very clearly shown as well.
I also think this shows how ingrained ableism is with the chuds who criticize the movie - you can show the Joker as a "mentally ill loser in a society that doesn't care" and they clap as long as they can hallucinate him as a fight club tough guy sigma, but when you go all in on what "mentally ill loser in a society that doesn't care" means, how forensic psychiatry and legal institutions treat a neurodivergent person, when you realistically show what is going on inside their head, when you detail the complex trauma in their past, when you compellingly show their weakness and violation and pain, these hogs cannot handle it.
just watched it and still have no idea how to feel about it, but damn that was a bold swing and I gotta respect that. props to Mr. Hangover for making something that strange, experimental and risky for a major studio film. I agree, people should see the movie for themselves before judging it. a lot of people will jump on the hate train just because they see a low rotten tomatoes score and that's sad
I'm honestly not trying to be contrarian, but a lot of movies that catch massive hate online I actually end up liking. I only went to see this one because it was catching so much flak.