I'm trying to find any redeemable qualities that make me feel better for the time I spent reading it. I could have put it down, but the raving reviews made me think that it would get better.

It didn't.

I loathed it. With passion.

  • EntropicalVacation@midwest.social
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    17 days ago

    I didn’t loathe it, but I didn’t much care for it. It’s basically a polemic about the history and effects (racism, poverty, income inequity, classism) of colonialism and capitalism. Not that that would make a bad novel per se, but I was expecting something more fantastical. The promise of linguistic magic was a big draw for me, but I felt this book could have been written, and maybe should have been written, as straight-up historical fiction, instead of promising fantasy that it pretty much failed to deliver.

  • transscribe7891@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    17 days ago

    I loved it. Loved the historical setting and its exploration of racism, imperialism, capitalist exploitation at that time and place with the perspectives of diverse characters.

    I already enjoy linguistics and learning languages, so I may be biased towards already liking the premise of the novel. (And dark academia is totally up my alley.) The way the author explores the nature of language and how certain parts of ideas always get lost in translation was pretty cool; and using that as a form of magic (that could then be exploited only from native speakers of the language no less) was so cleverly done.

    Add in the character conflicts between the four friends, a campus strike, and working class solidarity (with a dash of "be gay do crime")... I was hooked.

    • howler@lemmy.zip
      hexagon
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      17 days ago

      I did like the magic system, and in fact it was what drew me to the book at first.

      Sadly, I found the characters bland and annoying. The footnotes were the cherry on top, as I feel they were extremely condescendent.

      I'm very glad to hear that you enjoyed it tho! That's what books are for!

  • modulus@lemmy.ml
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    17 days ago

    I read it, and I really enjoyed it. I will give a few reasons.

    There are tons of spoilers here, by the way, you were warned.

    References to the themes the work relates to including some specific events.
    1. Focus on language. The entire conceit of translation means there's lots of careful language in the book, which I enjoy reading.
    2. Theme. There are two major themes I can see that I enjoyed: on one hand, the theme of imperialism, with the British Empire making use of its power to oppress people abroad. This is certainly central. On the other hand, the operation of empire doesn't even help most British people themselves, hence the uprising. These themes are interesting to me.
    3. Subthemes. But there are a lot of subthemes, issue that make you think when reading the book. Just a couple of examples: brain drain, the way translators are plucked off their societies to serve empire; the interaction of relative privilege with relative oppression, in the way that the foreign-looking translators get treated at the party; the notion of language itself as an exploitable resource (more relevant in connection to AI and the use and exploitation of corpora); the weaknesses of imperial centralisation, which could also be a critique of the cloud (the way the silver bars are connected to teach other); and the whole thorny issue of white feminism, which is very sharply demonstrated by one particular character.

    I also think there are very poignant situations in the book: the two brothers at odds, the reluctance to violence, the scene where the professor beats his pupil, the attempt to follow Muslim ethics and law while having to handle practical reality...

    So in short, it was one of my favourite books in the last few years. It also illuminates the opium wars in a way that hasn't often been done before.

    • howler@lemmy.zip
      hexagon
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      17 days ago

      I'm very glad to read that some people enjoyed it hahaha. The opium part hits hard, to be honest

    • howler@lemmy.zip
      hexagon
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      17 days ago

      Yes but as I mentioned in the post, I kept expecting it to improve, as the reviews said. Being honest, I didn't dislike the very end, but the rest...

    • howler@lemmy.zip
      hexagon
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      17 days ago

      The magic system was great, and I really enjoyed the linguistics parts. However, the characters felt incredibly boring, bland, kinda stupid at times... For a world with magic, it felt just like ours, and in fact magic changes nothing in its history compared to ours.

      The footnotes were the cherry on top of my dislike, turning it into loathe. I don't like being told what to think and how to interpret things.

      I felt that Kuang was breathing down my nape, silently watching me to make sure I got the point of that slavery, capitalism and colonialism are bad.

  • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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    18 days ago

    I thought the Poppy War was pretty bad. Killed my motivation to read anything else from her.

    • howler@lemmy.zip
      hexagon
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      17 days ago

      I disliked Poppy War too, but Babel sounded just like the kind of book I'd love. Now I've decided I won't read more stuff from Kuang in a while, she's not for me, at least right now.