• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    It's been less than a week since they lost all three branches of government but the dnc chair is still publicly insisting that they did the right thing and it was the same thing that also spectacularly failed in 2016; there is no future with them.

    • CarmineCatboy2 [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      losing all the branches of government to discipline the left and to be racist is a flawless DNC campaign

      • eldavi@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        you and i know this to be true; but i think that politics is a matter of perspective and, from the democrat's perspective: they were the reasonable ones with a reasonable platform and the leftists are the morons for not "holding their nose" like they always did in the past.

        we know that their perspective is wrong because they also believe that over looking something like a genocide is simply "holding your nose" or a "single issue voter" instead of the real life and death choice that warrants front-and-center attention.

  • M68040 [they/them]
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    2 months ago

    My big question mark is what the way out is. Carrying out some entryist project on the reps is a no-go, and I would genuinely be surprised if third parties ever came to represent a force worth taking seriously in my lifetime.

    We’re in a tight spot. A real tight spot. The entire status quo has practically been engineered to preclude anything significant changing.

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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      2 months ago

      Whether we do or don't find some way to cause a rupture, we know a rupture is inevitable. Personally I'm preparing for that, trying to make friends, develop useful fabrication skills, archive important knowledge, learning to grow food etc. As a movement I don't know what to do, as an individual I just try to make myself into someone who can be useful when a time comes. Someone who can share skills and be a boon to whatever group I may find myself in.

      • M68040 [they/them]
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        2 months ago

        I'm too totally alienated from (and generally afraid of) offline society to ever really have a niche. I live if I live, I die if i die.

        On the other hand, I work in delivery and that's a pretty collapse resistant occupation.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      yeah, it's intentional total gridlock. any candidate for meaningful change has to battle through a dozen layers of increasingly impossible barriers, while acceptable candidates like Harris are just plucked out of semi-obscurity and made the presidential candidate with popularity being no problem. the current third parties are probably dead-ends in terms of using them as a vessel for change, but I reckon there will eventually be a point where organizations and parties arise organically out of the working class and those will have actual staying power. That the left and its ideologies are mostly kept in higher education and academia (which are places where liberalism can be instilled and intellectuals either isolated or co-opted) is not an accident, as it seeks to prevent the working class gaining class consciousness. But there are vast populations of exploited people who have the potential to form a revolutionary base; not only those who still work in factories where the means of production are accessible to seize, but also more generally among groups like native Americans, black people, those of Central/South American descent, and so on.

      that being said, I think many of us here hypothesize that a working class uprising is unlikely until imperial relationships break down, if by nothing else observing the historical fact that revolutions rarely occur inside the imperial core. the timeline for this is very hard to predict - most of us prior to 2022 and definitely prior to 2020 would have said many decades, but now we're looking at glaring failures at American military projection with its navy vulnerable to even very poor nations, and the pace will likely accelerate, so it's good to be prepared as SkimmeringKoi says.