WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Poland’s top court has ruled that a law allowing abortion of fetuses with congenital defects is unconstitutional. The decision by the country's Constitutional Court on...
What a fucking shithole fucking country I fucking live in
Birth defects in terms of this kinda legislation covers things where if the baby is born, it's looking at hours to months of pain due to stuff like extreme abnormalities.
I know someone who had a pregnancy where the fetus was aborted due to such a birth defect. It was by all accounts a harrowing process. It would be much, much worse if you were forced to give birth to a child who would spend maybe a few months in agony before the defect kills them.
you probably want some level of restriction on how far into the pregnancy an abortion can be performed
I don't. Why would you want this?
Most late-term abortions are for stillbirths, birth defects, or dangerous to the mother.
But that doesn't matter anyway. It all comes down eventually to who gets autonomy: the fetus or the mother. You can't give it to one without taking it from the other, and it's an easy choice for me.
One of the big arguments is that we don't force people to donate blood or organs. Even for someone who's at death's door without a transfusion or transplant. Even for parents and children. We don't do it, it's beyond all medical ethics.
For the same exact reason, you can't force one person to serve as another person's life support device. Even if the fetus were a full human being with fully equal rights, which is a stupid argument on multiple levels, that fetus has no right to force another person to act as its host regardless of their relationship.
Otherwise, prepare for forced organ donation and blood transfusions.
Pregnancy is dangerous, it was one of the most common causes of death for fertile women historically. Even today it results in permanent body changes with a big chance of disability and death. Permanent incontinence, fistula, diabetes, you name it. Abortion is much safer for the body than pregnancy. That's another reason it's unethical to force people to give birth against their will. Naturally, once the fetus is able to survive on its own, we no longer allow the "host" to arbitrarily kill the fetus, hence the restrictions on late term abortion.
Anyway, hopefully this helps you to understand the reasons a lot of people think a pregnant person should have the same rights we give all other people.
As far as I remember from my embryology course the embryo is basically in a state of anesthesia and doesn't gain sentience before it draws its first breath, so this whole personhood thing is semantic. There isn't a point during embryonic development when a lump of cells turns into a person.
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Birth defects in terms of this kinda legislation covers things where if the baby is born, it's looking at hours to months of pain due to stuff like extreme abnormalities.
I know someone who had a pregnancy where the fetus was aborted due to such a birth defect. It was by all accounts a harrowing process. It would be much, much worse if you were forced to give birth to a child who would spend maybe a few months in agony before the defect kills them.
Now Poland can jail women who have stillbirths like in latin america. Very cool and legal.
Yes. It's very grim.
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I don't. Why would you want this?
Most late-term abortions are for stillbirths, birth defects, or dangerous to the mother.
But that doesn't matter anyway. It all comes down eventually to who gets autonomy: the fetus or the mother. You can't give it to one without taking it from the other, and it's an easy choice for me.
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One of the big arguments is that we don't force people to donate blood or organs. Even for someone who's at death's door without a transfusion or transplant. Even for parents and children. We don't do it, it's beyond all medical ethics.
For the same exact reason, you can't force one person to serve as another person's life support device. Even if the fetus were a full human being with fully equal rights, which is a stupid argument on multiple levels, that fetus has no right to force another person to act as its host regardless of their relationship.
Otherwise, prepare for forced organ donation and blood transfusions.
Pregnancy is dangerous, it was one of the most common causes of death for fertile women historically. Even today it results in permanent body changes with a big chance of disability and death. Permanent incontinence, fistula, diabetes, you name it. Abortion is much safer for the body than pregnancy. That's another reason it's unethical to force people to give birth against their will. Naturally, once the fetus is able to survive on its own, we no longer allow the "host" to arbitrarily kill the fetus, hence the restrictions on late term abortion.
Anyway, hopefully this helps you to understand the reasons a lot of people think a pregnant person should have the same rights we give all other people.
https://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm
I don't, sorry.
As far as I remember from my embryology course the embryo is basically in a state of anesthesia and doesn't gain sentience before it draws its first breath, so this whole personhood thing is semantic. There isn't a point during embryonic development when a lump of cells turns into a person.