What is the point of this? There's no actual revolutionary group in america so are we supposed to individually fight for revolution like it's a video game or something?
You underestimate the stupidity and naivety of teenage Maoists. As an added caveat, all teenagers are stupid and naive, no exceptions
This seems like teenage angst shit especially because it isn’t Maoist
You’d think, but this style of brainworms/ultra leftism has popped up pretty routinely for like the past 175 years
This isnt "ultra leftism" this is either teenagers who havent read anything or an op. Probably just kids.
All youse who think this is bad: need I remind you what the fuck WW1 was??? Americans barely give a shit about it anyway, this is about the same as tagging a municipal building or something
I just realized I don't know shit about the cause of WW1 except for the assassination of the archduke thing that gets taught in history class lol
Going to do some reading. Always good to find something I'm ignorant on
it was pretty much just an inter-booj conflict about who gets to control the world more. the up and rising central powers or the established colonial powers? throw in a bit of german supremacy and racism too
clearly this is an effective use of sabotage against the imperial core lmao
This happened in houston too a few days ago, it's so brain dead in terms of actually building a movement or anything that it has to be an op.
Nah dude, KC has some wild ass Maoists who call themselves Red Guards - but likely are some feds embedded in the group
Red Guard is definitly an op. And if not an op then it is really fucking cringe and they need to read theory.
Which work of leftist theory do you think the Red Guards need to read?
This will be fun.
Have you tried not being Red Guard that seems to be the more fundamental issue.
Is adopting a label and then eschewing the utility of labels dialectics?
Hey, that's cool. I've also read Fanon and I don't think it contradicts my point of revolution within the imperial core. But even then idk what plastering a fucking hammer and sickle and tagging shit will accomplish aside from some punk aesthetic statement, but hey, if you wanna be on the level of punk anarchists, 'we' can vibe.
Getting mad at graffiti? I don’t think we’re really on the same side tbh
I'm not mad at graffiti, I just don't think graffiti is a particularly good use of time, money, or energy for any organization. Particularly slogans such as 'Elections no, Revolution Yes!' won't speak to anyone outside the choir. I'm on board bud, but I was already on board.
It dont do any harm though, I'd argue its at least several times more useful than voting for biden.
That's a fair point, but it's besides what my point is. If the goal is simply 'Use a red can of spray paint and vent my frustration' then this would be successful. But if the goal is furthering the cause of revolution or convincing people to join your side, I'm gonna have to put some big question marks on the effectiveness of this tactic.
it’s very effective.
People take pictures of it and then post it on the internet.
Chuds are spraypainting revolutionary slogans on their own garages - fighting an imaginary war with make-believe Maoists, and losing it
Yes, rebellion works, and spraypainting more Maoist slogans on things is cool and good
Ok, but unless you are actually gaining members for your organization due to this tactic, then this is all (ironically) pure advertising ideology. People can share things online for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't mean they agree with you.
And if you are doing things simply to spite chuds, that is good and cool I guess, but using chuds as a general barometer for if a tactic is effective against the actual state is useless, otherwise you are just fighting culture wars.
'Rebellion works', you keep using these words broadly. Do you think tagging is an act of rebellion?
I think all rebellion is good
yes tagging revolutionary slogans in public places is cool and we should do more of it
Also culture wars are good and I fight them daily, and wish to provoke more of them
You still haven't addressed my points, and you seem to keep deflecting, but this is probably a misccommunication on my end, so I'll be direct.
Are people joining your organization due to reading tagged messages?
How do you measure the effectiveness of a tactic in fighting the culture war?
To your organization (or you), is the effectiveness of a tactic in fighting the culture war a barometer for fighting actual state power?
Do you think rebelling against the mass line is inherently good?
How would you even measure that shit? It doesnt do any harm so what's the problem?
If you would stick to reading through the thread and replying on a single thread as opposed to replying to me multiple times, that would be cool, thanks.
You can't measure it. That's the problem. Well, you can measure the effectiveness of messaging tactics regarding tagging by asking people who joined your organization if they joined because they saw the tags. Or measuring the growth of your organization based prior to a tagging campaign vs. after.
However, measuring the effectiveness of a tactic in a culture war is by definition non-materialist, which is why it is a waste of time, and not something imo leftists, particularly organized marxist leftists, should focus on. Leave the culture war to the libs and chuds, focus on the material inequality within your community and inject theory into the cracks as you seek to assuage what harm you can. Revolution, imo, will likely not come from the imperial core as the security state has far too much power.
I will agree with you, tags do less harm than voting for Joe Biden. But that's a fucking low bar to clear. Yet, tagging does clearly harm your organization's PR, primarily with other 'leftists' (e.g. many of the people in this thread). But hey, they're not 'real leftists', because they think this shit doesn't really do anything, right?
Fair, but you paint an interesting tag and people share it saying 'omg cant beelive what those anarchists did', and forget about it in a week, then it's about the same... and you deleted it.
So does punk rock, but neither of them are particularly heroic revolutionary actions.
True, but also, generally speaking, I don't need to spend time talking about how psychedelic usage is generally an ineffective movement builder to younger members. It's generally understood as an indulgence and not a revolutionary act in of itself.
That being said I don't have a problem with tagging, particularly that which expresses individual artistry in the public sphere. I do have issues with organizations that use this type of sloganeering as their entry point. It leads to bad brain shit that confuses people about matierialist philisophy and what needs to be done. This shit is at a lower level than pamphlets and newspapers in terms of communicating ideas.
That museum has a ton of artifacts from the Bolshevik revolution in it.
Does it really? I'll have to stroll on down there. I live about a mile away
Yeah it’s got a lot of original red army items, does a good job of explaining the whole revolution. All in all it’s a really good museum, even if WW1 was a non-sense war, it’s a super interesting museum with some really good exhibits.
It was a nonsense, tragic war where millions upon millions died pointlessly. However, museums are necessary to preserve history and to teach it to generations down the line
Yeah it’s worth an afternoon visit. I do think it’s like 18 bucks to get into the museum tho.
take pics and share, friend! If you're allowed to of course.
If not, take secret photos anyways because fuck the rules
