• JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Indeed. Simping for Russia and China (and even North Korea, wow) have greatly determental effects to democracy, public discourse, and policy. So I was hoping to change your minds or at least figure out how you think.

      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        I think it is the most effective system yet devised at minimizing the immorality of the system.

        Current examples are however far from ideal.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Actually existing liberal democracies aren't perfect but you still support them? How do you morally justify that position?

            • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              So despite the many flaws and problems with these systems, you support them because you think they can improve? Why do you think they can improve?

              • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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                1 year ago

                Because there's been change in the past, and there is gradual positive change generally happening.

                But also because throwing out the system entirely very often leads to power hungry authoritarian groups or people taking advantage of the power vacuum. And they're not as easily dislodged.

                  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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                    1 year ago

                    I count authoritarian mostly as little to no way for the citizens to effect policy changes. Plus their very heavy handed on controlling their population.

                    Functional liberal democracies are pretty far from that, since people have feedback, and because of that, the population isn't ruthlessly controlled.

                    • Clever_Clover [she/her]
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                      1 year ago

                      so, say, a place like Cuba where citizens do effect policy changes (like when they recently voted on the new constitution that now enshrines lgbtq rights) are not authoritarian, right?

                    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                      1 year ago

                      But most people have no effect on policy and almost all of society, including every necessary resource, is monopolized by the owning class enforcing its will through state violence and deprivation