• AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Please upvote this comment if you are a liberal and this headline gave you pause and maybe a nagging "are we the baddies?" moment of reflection

    • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Not upvoting as a diehard commie, just to respect the vote. Would love to see an actual poll of libs on this

    • thilo@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      And then I read the article and remembered: reality is more complicated then good-bad.

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        A sociopath told you that you aren't capable of having moral judgements about people dying and that you needed to listen to vetted experts instead. It's not complicated actually. I contend that pointless death is in fact a bad thing

          • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            If you think there's glory in these deaths then stop cheering from the backfield and take the place of someone gang pressed off the street.

            • thilo@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              Even if I would do that I suppose you wouldn't be happier with the situation. And guess what, neither would I.

              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                But that's what you're saying, right? These deaths are valuable just for the sake of fighting in some abstract sense? Because the bad guy is bad?

                • thilo@lemmy.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  No, as I said in my first answer, there are no generally right or wrong answers. There are people dying because of some vanity project of the rich and powerful. I also hold the opinion, that those shall be prevented at all costs. But if my information on the conflict is correct and this war started as a civil war on the topic of secession, then the question get's hard to answer almost instantly, and also highly individual.

                  • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    How can you both say that the war is a vanity project for the rich and powerful and the same time argue that the deaths caused by it have meaning?

                    • thilo@lemmy.ml
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                      1 year ago

                      Because for some people they do.

                      edit: In another post you mentioned the breakaway republics, there you have your examples. People who don't want to live under a certain regime or don't want to live under theirs anymore. Sometimes fighting is the only option left for people, and sometimes fighting people know they will die fighting.

                      • PandaBearGreen [they/them]
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                        1 year ago

                        It's like you have an opinion and don't all at the same time. Maybe reconsider your position.

                        • thilo@lemmy.ml
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                          1 year ago

                          The world is an unfathomably complex thing, even if you leave the people stuff out, and we all have lots of opinions and mostly none of the information.

                          I do realise that I don't have a say in the matter and neither should I. The one thing I know for certain is that optaining a truth is on a spectrum between hard and impossible.