I have been using Mint for about six months now and while I am not going to start distro hopping, I slowly want to start exploring the rest of Linux.

Originally I was looking at Arch based distros such as Manjaro and EndeavourOS, during which I found out Manjaro is somewhat pointless because you pretty much should not use the AUR on Manjaro or else you will break the system inevitably. EndeavourOS looked solid though.

However, I got a few suggestions regarding OpenSuSE Tumbleweed as a better alternative to Arch based distros and just wanted to know what are the pros and cons of OpenSuSE compared to Arch based distros from your experience?

  • lemmyvore@feddit.nl
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    1 year ago

    I found out Manjaro is somewhat pointless because you pretty much should not use the AUR on Manjaro or else you will break the system inevitably.

    I think perhaps you misunderstood?

    You should not use AUR packages for critical stuff like kernel, drivers or system libraries. But that's true on all Arch-derived distros. The reason is that AUR is mostly unverified stuff and can go bad at any time.

    The other thing about AUR that's indeed specific to Manjaro is that due to their delay in publishing Arch packages sometimes an installed AUR package can go out of sync and not work anymore when you update the regular packages, and you may not be able to fix it for a couple of days.

    That's happened once or twice to me over the last 3 years and it's annoying but, again, it depends on what exactly was that thing that you installed from AUR. It if it's not something essential, as it should, then it will just be a minor inconvenience.

  • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I have been using OpenSuse for over a year now, and it's solid. Had 1 minor issue with audio crackling where i needed to restart Pulseaudio, but that's long gone now. Highly recommend. Had regular breakages with Manjaro, so wouldn't touch it.

  • crazycaveman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    I'm interested in hearing about this from others, too. I'm in the middle of finding the next distro for my work now that centos 7 is reaching EoL. OpenSuSE is looking appealing (maybe because it's completely new to me), using leap of course, but I've setup tumbleweed in WSL and am planning to set it up to dual boot and use it as my primary OS. Based on what I know, it wouldn't be "better" than Arch, just a different way of managing updates. Tumbleweed is all automated for packaging and preparing updates, so the same issues that happen with AUR could also creep in to tumbleweed (I assume). One of the prices to pay for bleeding edge rolling releases

    • jollyrogue@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      I’m looking at switching the server base to OpenSuse Leap for the in-place upgrades. This is after over a decade of running RHEL clones.

      I don’t have dependencies on anything RHEL specific, so the switch isn’t too bad.

      The hardest part is FreeIPA which still isn’t in the repos, but that can live on CentOS since it’s easy enough to to setup a replica.

      One thing I’ve found I dislike is how limited the installer is in partitioning disks. I like having multiple disks in my servers, and I can’t set them up in btrfs at install time like I want to.

      Yeah, 3rd-party repos messing things up is a generic distro problem. Some repos are better about not conflicting then others. I’m planning on being pretty conservative with them when I finally switch a desktop to Tumbleweed.

  • dino@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1 year ago

    pros:

    • very good defaults, btrfs with snapper integration like no other distro (i know of)
    • up to date packages
    • zypper is amazingly easy to use and understand (zypper dup, upgrades your whole system, one command done)
    • if you need GUI tools to configure stuff, YAST

    cons:

    • worse documentation compared to Arch
    • not the fastest packet manager
    • a lot of unnecessary packages (not as lightweight)
    • solutions for problems are not as widespread on the internet (a bit similar to first con)
    • imo weird naming of official repos, also packman being almost required
    • https://build.opensuse.org/ is kind of like AUR with automatic QC, but you have to add repos for each package which makes keeping track a hassle

    Still if you want to hop around I think you HAVE to try Tumbleweed for an extended period of time, because you will come only to appreciate something like rolling release + seamless integration of snapper once you hit those road bumps. I also think arch is the way, be it in its vanilla form or something like endeavouros. But maybe you should gather some experience beforehand. Btw. I am using Tumbleweed on my personal (gaming) desktop for almost 10 years now. I am at a point where I want to switch, but at the same time feel so comfortable that I am not sure its worth the effort.

  • daco@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    My experience with openSuse Tumbleweed has been mostly great so far.

    I’ve used linux the last 20+ years (Debian, Ubuntu, manjaro, elementary os, fedora and so on).

    For me the best ones so far have been Debian and Ubuntu server edition (for servers), Linux mint and openSuse (for desktop use).

    I tried openSuse because I didn’t want to upgrade my system every 6 months (for Ubuntu) nor every many years (for Debian). I like the idea of having a stable main desktop system which I can rely on and it just works. I’m hoping openSuse Tumbleweed is that system.

    I’ve used primarily openSuse with KDE on my main machine the last year and I’ve had the folllowing issues:

    • some VPN connections do not work but the same one does work without problems on Linux mint. (For example the Fritz-box VPN) I’m still researching this.
    • most tutorials are made for Ubuntu and other distros, so you have to search a bit more to find answers. (I’ve written a few on my site) You need more time and knowledge to do some stuff on openSuse, because the defaults are more secure (or less permissive). For example sharing a folder on a network or adding a network printer means configuring the firewall rules, which on Linux mint, Ubuntu and many others is not required (which also means that the required ports are open and the required packages are pre installed).

    What I’ve liked

    • there defaults are more secure and that means I’ve learned what some apps need and I’ve understand a little bit how they work.
    • zypper dup is great and I love having a rolling distribution. (I also love apt-get btw)
    • I feel openSuse is more stable (as a desktop, I haven’t tried it on servers yet) although I don’t have any basis to say that. I have another machine with linux mint and I feel I have more problems with stability there. (Again, this is just a feeling)
  • kevin@mander.xyz
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    1 year ago

    OpenSUSE for pried from my hands because the college I work for set up a Cisco proxy server / 2FA that I couldn't get to work with openconnect, and Cisco's AnyConnect won't run on it.

    After a few weeks on Rocky, I am desperate to go back.

  • OnopordumAcanthium@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I've used Tumbleweed for round about a year and i am very happy with it. Ended my distro hopping, after i tried fedora, mint, kde neon and ubuntu.

    I'd say im more of a casual user, so i didn't need some special software yet. After a bit of setup things like browsing, watching videos, gaming and so on just work. Because im relatively new to linux im still not used to the terminal, i only know some basic commands, so yast is very welcomed here :)

    Like i said, it ended my distro hopping - i like tumbleweed!