My "friend" Joe

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    Maybe friendship with a racist rapist is a treasure I’ll never know but he killed that man for it.

    Bernie didn't quit because Biden was a friend, he quit because he lost the primary and the Democratic Party was committed to marching voters to polls during a pandemic if he kept trying for a long-shot comeback. Calling him a murderer and saying "I couldn't live with myself after that" because he got jobbed out of a primary is the pathetic drama of a bitter ex.

    You bought into someone and it didn't work out. Learn something real from that, don't rewrite history to make that person the devil.

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      Bernie could've and should've fought harder.

      1. Rather than talking about Biden's record on social security Bernie ostracized Zephyr Teachout - his own surrogate for doing so.
      2. Talk about Hunter Biden's legitimate corruption.
      3. Bernie should've spent 2016-2020 going against Obama's legacy as much as Trump. Obama's economic triangulation is the reason Trump happened. Bernie should have been more coherent with this messaging. He didn't and Obama was left as respectable party leaders in the eye of democrats. Then Obama put his thumb on a scale and the whole campaign crumbled.

      Bernie could've and should've fought harder because people literally die if he didn't. All of his surrogates like Nina Turner, Briahna Joy Gray, Cornel West, even orb mom were ready to go. Bernie and only Bernie himself pussied out. He should've gone all out against Joe in the last debate and this is what we got.

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        Reasons 1-10 for Bernie losing were Obama getting the other centrist candidates to drop out and endorse Biden on the eve of Super Tuesday. He was the clear frontrunner before that, and Biden was completely dead in the water until South Carolina, and even then he needed Obama's backstage jobbing to really be a serious candidate again. Other stuff matters -- Bernie could have done things better -- but they start at about Reason 11.

        He should’ve gone all out against Joe

        A candidate (not necessarily the candidate's campaign or supporters) being too negative almost never works -- it's arguably never worked in a modern presidential election with the exception of Trump. We can't criticize Hillary and Biden and all sorts of centrist Dems on the grounds of "give people something to vote for, not just reasons to vote against your opponent" and then turn around and say Bernie definitely needed to talk more about reasons to vote against his opponent. That's doubly true for an opponent like Biden, who was out of the picture entirely from about January through South Carolina. It would have made no sense for Bernie to start talking about Biden's record when Biden was getting smoked in all the early primary states. In reality there was only a small window when it made sense to try and hit Biden hard, and that type of negativity from a candidate almost never works, and at least two candidates (Harris and Bookers) had already ate shit despite making the most direct attacks on Biden.

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          Dude you sound like libs who think that Obama was actually really progressive you guys, but there's nothing he can do because Republican in congress

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      he quit because he lost the primary and the Democratic Party was committed to marching voters to polls during a pandemic if he kept trying for a long-shot comeback.

      What about the election itself? Did he also expect Trump voters concede and vote for Biden instead so half the voters could spare themselves the risking getting infected? The Democrats were always willing to play the game no matter the consequences. His supporters didn't die voting for Bernie, cool I guess he can sleep at night knowing instead they risked their lives(and some probably died) voting for Biden instead. 4D chess right here.

      Maybe Bernie was drinking the koolaid as much as his liberal friends with that "most prepared nations" meme in which case he should absolutely be remembered for this colossal blunder. Turns out people died because of the pandemic anyway and even more will die because of his miscalculation.

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        What about the election itself? Did he also expect Trump voters concede and vote for Biden instead so half the voters could spare themselves the risking getting infected?

        The election was 7 months off at that point. No one knew how long the pandemic would last, how bad it would be, how it would shape the general election, how voting would look in the fall, etc.

        Turns out people died because of the pandemic anyway and even more will die because of his miscalculation.

        Look, I'm sorry you fell in love and got hurt, but your ex isn't responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. You have to move on at some point.

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          The election was 7 months off at that point. No one knew how long the pandemic would last, how bad it would be, how it would shape the general election, how voting would look in the fall, etc.

          Except China had already gone into an extensive quarentine and everyone was already worried, the only ones downplaying this shit was Trump with his stupid memes. If you thought the pandemic would be over in 6 months you were drinking the coolaid and he absolutely should be remembered for it. What is conceding the nomination going to achieve if people are still going to have to expose themselves 6 months from now.

          Oh sorry excuse me, look at this chart the US can't possibly be this incompetent this will be solved 6 months from now. I don't have to feel guilty about being a coward.

          Look, I’m sorry you fell in love and got hurt, but your ex isn’t responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. You have to move on at some point.

          You are the one bending your back backwards trying to justify the incredible miscalculation of a cucked spineless old man. You are like the ex who still wants to remember the old good times and isn't willing to admit your partner was just a useless piece of shit.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            the only ones downplaying this shit was Trump with his stupid memes. If you thought the pandemic would be over in 6 months you were drinking the coolaid and he absolutely should be remembered for it

            This is just completely inaccurate -- not even remotely close to correct. You're confusing the most pessimistic early takes (which proved to be more correct, if not entirely correct) with what most people thought of the pandemic when it first hit the U.S. Most people didn't expect major disruptions to go on for months because almost no one alive has experienced anything like this. And there's no way anyone could have known how voting would look in November even if they bought into the most pessimistic takes right off the bat.