Ocasio-Cortez said that while Republicans "leverage their right flank to gain policy concessions and generate enthusiasm," Democrats shut progressives out.
They got nothing. They didn’t force a different Speaker, and vague “procedural concessions” that aren’t meaningful enough to merit even a cursory description are also nothing.
Similarly, forcing a vote on a bill that is DOA in the Senate (and that the President elect said he’d veto) is gaining nothing. Aren’t we materialists here?
That's the alternative being presented by Dore and others. It's useless, but still less useless than just granting Pelosi an easy win. The point is if progressives don't push back that's an absolute loss.
if progressives don’t push back that’s an absolute loss
It's an absolute loss either way! Either way you get nothing!
The bottom line is that progressives can't force Pelosi out. At best they can force gridlock and hope the conservative Democrats cave before they do. Guess how that will play out.
My scenario: progressives show they are willing to use their power against establishment dems, even if nothing comes of itand lose, and show everyone how little power they have
You want progressives to die on this hill even though we both agree that would do nothing. When you've vastly outnumbered, you have to pick your battles a lot better.
That's the alternative being presented by Dore and others. It's useless, but still less useless than just granting Pelosi an easy win. The point is if progressives don't push back that's an absolute loss.
It's an absolute loss either way! Either way you get nothing!
The bottom line is that progressives can't force Pelosi out. At best they can force gridlock and hope the conservative Democrats cave before they do. Guess how that will play out.
My scenario: progressives show they are willing to use whatever power they have against establishment dems, even if nothing comes of it.
Your scenario: progressives show they are pushovers who won't even try to fight establishment dems.
You want progressives to die on this hill even though we both agree that would do nothing. When you've vastly outnumbered, you have to pick your battles a lot better.