Yaknow, mere months ago I was an extremely strong believer in lesser evilism despite having been a full communist for years. I still believe that using your vote to try and make things as good as possible for the working class is the right thing to do, and that accelerationism is fucking evil. But each story like this is another removed the armor I built up to defend the position that lesser evilism is good and Democrats are always the lesser evil. The only remaining difference between Biden and Trump at this point is that he doesn't actively court and embolden Proud Boy types. I can't think of a single other thing. I'm glad I didn't end up voting for him, even though I only didn't because I live in a solidly blue state. I never thought I'd say that.
Idk. I was pretty stubborn about my position for a long time and I'm still finding it hard to shake. As a disabled person, I live entirely off social programs that the GOP is openly hostile to. I still see them as a bigger threat to my ability to be alive. I don't think I'm going to be over that any time soon. But this shit is fucking infuriating, and that libs I know insistently either ignore it when I post these things for them or insist without evidence that Biden is the lesser evil in a substantial way fucking pisses me off.
Please don't revel in this in the replies. I'm actually fucking depressed about it. No sicko faces or anything please. Like, feel free to reply, but please be nice and supportive about it. Don't try to argue with whats left of my support for lesser evilism either, just, let it be for now. I just needed to express myself.
We all were there. We all had to justify voting for a lesser evil at one point, just because of that hope for things to get better. Hell, I did it only 3 years ago when Macron was in a stand-off against Le Pen, and the pressure was massive, because should I had voted blank or stayed home, I'd have been "responsible" for fascism in France.
Honestly, your Macron/Le Pen example makes me wonder if I actually know better lol. Especially in an electoral system that leaves you with literally only two options in the second round, my brain would want to figure out which one would do less harm and vote for them. I wouldn't see the point in staying home or voting blank, wouldn't seem to do anything. Like if I were French and the next Presidential election does come down to Macron and Le Pen part II, I might still bother to vote for Macron. Even with all the awful shit he's done. I still sorta feel like the open faced fascist is scarier enough than the neolib to bother voting. Maybe it would be different if I was actually in France right now and living through Macron though, idk. Maybe it would be different for me if it was personal the way this shit with Biden is.
But yeah, this is just how my brain functions. I literally can't get out of this kind of thinking. If I see two things and both are bad but one seems less bad, that difference matters to my brain. With the Biden thing, I just am out of reasons to actually see Biden as materially different from Trump. But my brain is still kinda compartmentalizing that to specifically Biden and Trump.
I wouldn't lift a finger to vote again for Macron. He's passed so many authoritarian laws, has many corrupt officials in his cabinet, and some of them even hail from the far-right organizations, the most prominent of them being our security minister. So far, he's done everything he accused the far right would do should they be elected. Should she win in 2022, I know where I'll stand on the matter.
Its like, I knew he wasn't going to do anything radically good or anything. But I'd thought he'd at least get in there and turn back the clock on Trump's shittiest executive orders. Like he was Obama's VP, why wouldn't he want to at least go back to the Obama status quo after Trump's obsession with undoing anything that Obama did lmao. Not that the Obama status quo was good. But Trump overturned a bunch of Obama-era EOs that made things actively worse. I thought surely Biden would want to at least undo that shit.
I still feel GOP control is a bigger threat to my ability to live than Democrat control is, even if Democrats have been responsible for cuts before too. The GOP's stance on them is just more outwardly aggressive and frightening. And there are definitely services I have access to that don't exist elsewhere because I live in a liberal state.
Yaknow, mere months ago I was an extremely strong believer in lesser evilism despite having been a full communist for years. I still believe that using your vote to try and make things as good as possible for the working class is the right thing to do, and that accelerationism is fucking evil. But each story like this is another removed the armor I built up to defend the position that lesser evilism is good and Democrats are always the lesser evil. The only remaining difference between Biden and Trump at this point is that he doesn't actively court and embolden Proud Boy types. I can't think of a single other thing. I'm glad I didn't end up voting for him, even though I only didn't because I live in a solidly blue state. I never thought I'd say that.
Idk. I was pretty stubborn about my position for a long time and I'm still finding it hard to shake. As a disabled person, I live entirely off social programs that the GOP is openly hostile to. I still see them as a bigger threat to my ability to be alive. I don't think I'm going to be over that any time soon. But this shit is fucking infuriating, and that libs I know insistently either ignore it when I post these things for them or insist without evidence that Biden is the lesser evil in a substantial way fucking pisses me off.
Please don't revel in this in the replies. I'm actually fucking depressed about it. No sicko faces or anything please. Like, feel free to reply, but please be nice and supportive about it. Don't try to argue with whats left of my support for lesser evilism either, just, let it be for now. I just needed to express myself.
an unfortunate casualty of the slur filter. I guess we have to say "dent"
We all were there. We all had to justify voting for a lesser evil at one point, just because of that hope for things to get better. Hell, I did it only 3 years ago when Macron was in a stand-off against Le Pen, and the pressure was massive, because should I had voted blank or stayed home, I'd have been "responsible" for fascism in France.
Now I know better at least, and so do you.
Honestly, your Macron/Le Pen example makes me wonder if I actually know better lol. Especially in an electoral system that leaves you with literally only two options in the second round, my brain would want to figure out which one would do less harm and vote for them. I wouldn't see the point in staying home or voting blank, wouldn't seem to do anything. Like if I were French and the next Presidential election does come down to Macron and Le Pen part II, I might still bother to vote for Macron. Even with all the awful shit he's done. I still sorta feel like the open faced fascist is scarier enough than the neolib to bother voting. Maybe it would be different if I was actually in France right now and living through Macron though, idk. Maybe it would be different for me if it was personal the way this shit with Biden is.
But yeah, this is just how my brain functions. I literally can't get out of this kind of thinking. If I see two things and both are bad but one seems less bad, that difference matters to my brain. With the Biden thing, I just am out of reasons to actually see Biden as materially different from Trump. But my brain is still kinda compartmentalizing that to specifically Biden and Trump.
I wouldn't lift a finger to vote again for Macron. He's passed so many authoritarian laws, has many corrupt officials in his cabinet, and some of them even hail from the far-right organizations, the most prominent of them being our security minister. So far, he's done everything he accused the far right would do should they be elected. Should she win in 2022, I know where I'll stand on the matter.
Yeah, thats fair, I probably would think the same if I lived there.
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Its like, I knew he wasn't going to do anything radically good or anything. But I'd thought he'd at least get in there and turn back the clock on Trump's shittiest executive orders. Like he was Obama's VP, why wouldn't he want to at least go back to the Obama status quo after Trump's obsession with undoing anything that Obama did lmao. Not that the Obama status quo was good. But Trump overturned a bunch of Obama-era EOs that made things actively worse. I thought surely Biden would want to at least undo that shit.
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Yeah, that makes sense. But it also means Biden is going to be even worse than Obama, which is scary as well.
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Oh yeah, Biden is really bad. Obama hadn't had a history of what, like 40 years of advocating for cuts to social security?
The democrats are the ones that destroyed the safety net. They are also the ones that expand wars, Vietnam, iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc
The gop lays up the evil and the dems slam dunk it.
Come on I literally asked to not have replies like this. I don't want to argue. I don't want it rubbed in. Just please lay off.
I'm just pointing out the obvious not attacking.
I'm on medicaid as I need health coverage that I can't afford other wise so I'm in the same boat.
Alright sorry. I'm very sensitive right now.
I still feel GOP control is a bigger threat to my ability to live than Democrat control is, even if Democrats have been responsible for cuts before too. The GOP's stance on them is just more outwardly aggressive and frightening. And there are definitely services I have access to that don't exist elsewhere because I live in a liberal state.
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