https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2595115

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    the last post I ever remember seeing on the 196 sublemmy or whatever was a vaporwave edit of the NATO flag saying "Gay Marriage is non negotiable"

      • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        people in the replies brought up at least two (Turkey and Poland if I recall). There's probably more if I bothered to check

        I do remember one of our own posters bringing up an excellent response that was something to the effect of "Honest question but what do you think NATO is? A queer rights organization with guns?"

        • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          The urge to spread one’s own “values” by force to “backwards” nations is an imperialist and chauvinist urge that gets used justify imperialist war that actually sets that backwards country back even further (what “backwards” countries really require is peace, stability, development and education not war, instability, destruction and brain drain). Let’s call it the Woke Man’s Burden.

          Anytime you start thinking “my country is better on x principle, therefore we should war with an enemy country to spread our ideals” you should definitely consider deeply if you are just being a stooge falling for imperialist intrigue. Lots of western leftists have fallen for this on Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia and even Palestine

          • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            Anytime you start thinking “my country is better on x principle, therefore we should war with an enemy country to spread our ideals”

            I know that the British empire has been pulling this shtick for at least 200 years now so it's refreshing to see that it still works among nominal "leftists"

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Let’s call it the Woke Man’s Burden

            I generally agree but this is lame compared to, like, "orientalism" or even just the original "White Man's Burden" or perhaps "Western Power's Burden".

            • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              It’s a specific subset of White Man’s Burden with a synthesis with rainbow imperialism. Radlibs wanting to invade all the “fascists” like Kim Jong Un and Xi Jinping and Putler.