• AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    "We're fighting for the promise Joe Biden was elected on, even if Joe isn't willing to. In this pandemic working people deserve a living wage. Let's treat them like Heroes by treating them like people first."

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      You can always make a counter argument, but that's not going to get 24/7 airtime like "these unrealistic socialists are holding up your stimulus check" will.

      • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Airtime doesn't matter if they get $15/hr passed. Which they would, because they'd have Biden by the balls.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          they’d have Biden by the balls.

          That's unrealistic. You'd just hear "we can't pass this anyway, the parliamentarian said so" nonstop. And most Democrats would buy it, like they bought the parliamentarian bullshit when it first was floated, and like they bought the $1400+$600=$2000 garbage.

          There's a slight chance delaying the bill would lead to talking points like that falling apart, but this isn't anything close to a "press this button and win" scenario.

          • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            If the Squad were to stand their ground here, they would be foolish to not point out that the parliamentarian is not elected and has no actual power over this, their opinion only advisory at every moment they're on TV.

            Their slogan should become "Kamala Harris does not want to give you a $15 minimum wage." until it causes a ringing in people's ears.

            • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Who's going to get more media exposure: the folks calling bullshit on the parliamentarian, or the folks who've already sold the line that the parliamentarian said we can't go forward with this?

              Do rank-and-file Democrats, who were fine voting for Biden, really give a shit about the minimum wage?

              In the best case scenario this is nowhere close to a guaranteed win. I'm not even sure there's a 50% chance at this succeeding.

              • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Presumably these networks would like to have AOC on to berate her, which is when she would say these things that make it obvious who has the power to do what.

                It's actually 100% a guaranteed win, because they can't pass anything without it. And Biden desperately needs to pass this. But like all things the left has won in US history, it takes being willing to withstand pain in the moment.

                • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  The media is smart enough to know that blacking out a leftist position is more effective than arguing against it. We just saw that with Bernie.

                  It’s actually 100% a guaranteed win

                  This is totally out of touch with reality.

                  • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    Go read about Women's Suffrage or the pressure the Communist party put on FDR before you account for what is reality.

                    Biden has no choice here, it's pass this stimulus or see the entire economy collapse and people blaming him. A real Left coalition would use this to secure the $15 minimum wage he ran and was elected on.

                    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                      4 years ago

                      Women’s Suffrage or the pressure the Communist party put on FDR

                      Things that are highly relevant in 2021

                      Biden has no choice here, it’s pass this stimulus or see the entire economy collapse and people blaming him

                      The squad would obviously be blamed for this, not Biden.

                      And lol at Biden voters giving a shit about some insincere promise he had on his website. They voted for "nothing will fundamentally change."