Working people want to see the Squad stand up to the establishment. Progressive leaders and leaders of major labor unions need to harness that desire and publicly urge that the Squad use their numerical balance & refuse to vote on the MUST PASS stimulus bill unless $15 is in it.— Kshama Sawant (@cmkshama) March 6, 2021
Am I a lib for just wanting the damn stimulus to go out already? That extra money would help out A LOT, less so a wage increase in 4 years. It's clear the dems aren't going to pass the min wage increase, on this bill anyway, maybe just get those checks out?
everyone needs some extra cash for sure. gotta kinda weigh it against the fact that if the squad actually used their fucking power, sure it may only last until the next election and then we're likely to lose a couple of them, but they'd have way more of an effect on actual policy.
they kinda already dropped the ball with the pelosi thing though, so none of this is expected to happen, i'm sure we'll get our means tested $1400 within the next two months, unless the vaccine works so well that they decide 'actually you don't need them.'
The proposed bill would've raised the minimum wage to $9.5 per hour immediately, which would, in a short amount of time, put more money in the pockets of those earning federal minimum than a one-time stimulus.
Didn't realize that part, which certainly adds something to this strategy. It really sucks that it comes at the expense of more immediate checks, but I guess that's the pressure they're trying to utilize to get this passed. It's just so dire, and the relative slam dunk of this bill being passed, but then not because of dems themselves, makes everyone look bad, except Trump who actually gave people money... ugh
Indefinitely delaying stimulus checks and unemployment funding directly hurts working people. There's a real cost here.
If we pay that cost and get at least a good shot at a $15 minimum wage, that's one thing. But if we hurt working people for some remote chance at the increase passing, that's a bad call.
whats the other choice though? wait until the corporations stop lobbying congress or however many decades it takes to get a fucking progressive majority and take our check for a months worth of shit and just accept that?
The only person who gets to inherit the failure to get the stimulus passed is Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. They are the only people anybody is seriously holding responsible for getting the checks out, as theyre the ones who promised 2K and a 15/hr wages.
Yea, it would be playing with fire to delay the bill in an effort to demand the minimum wage increase goes in. Its a game of chicken that progressives might lose, and the delay it causes hurts all the democrats.
Am I a lib for just wanting the damn stimulus to go out already? That extra money would help out A LOT, less so a wage increase in 4 years. It's clear the dems aren't going to pass the min wage increase, on this bill anyway, maybe just get those checks out?
everyone needs some extra cash for sure. gotta kinda weigh it against the fact that if the squad actually used their fucking power, sure it may only last until the next election and then we're likely to lose a couple of them, but they'd have way more of an effect on actual policy.
they kinda already dropped the ball with the pelosi thing though, so none of this is expected to happen, i'm sure we'll get our means tested $1400 within the next two months, unless the vaccine works so well that they decide 'actually you don't need them.'
Pardon my ignorance, but how could the squad really change the game here? It's though to imagine enough of those dems that voted no to change
yeah they already kinda dropped the ball.
DORE WAS RIGHT lol
Listen to David Sirota explain this last night here: https://youtu.be/wSPFHLQsujE?t=2165
The proposed bill would've raised the minimum wage to $9.5 per hour immediately, which would, in a short amount of time, put more money in the pockets of those earning federal minimum than a one-time stimulus.
Didn't realize that part, which certainly adds something to this strategy. It really sucks that it comes at the expense of more immediate checks, but I guess that's the pressure they're trying to utilize to get this passed. It's just so dire, and the relative slam dunk of this bill being passed, but then not because of dems themselves, makes everyone look bad, except Trump who actually gave people money... ugh
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Goddamn. If this was the best case to increase minimum wage... :sadness:
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The most likely outcome of this strategy is (1) no minimum wage increase and (2) delayed checks.
i mean of course, but i'm willing to delay the checks for even that miniscule chance, cause otherwise the chance for (1) is 0.
If this gets us a 50% chance at $15, it's worth it. If it gets us a 5% chance, it isn't.
The key question is how likely this is to work. It's probably a lot closer to 5% than 50%.
agree with the second part, disagree with the first.
they could just delay legislation indefinitely if they felt like it.
Indefinitely delaying stimulus checks and unemployment funding directly hurts working people. There's a real cost here.
If we pay that cost and get at least a good shot at a $15 minimum wage, that's one thing. But if we hurt working people for some remote chance at the increase passing, that's a bad call.
whats the other choice though? wait until the corporations stop lobbying congress or however many decades it takes to get a fucking progressive majority and take our check for a months worth of shit and just accept that?
The other choice is to recognize when you're in a losing situation and not make it worse.
Here, that would mean not hurting (and pissing off) people who really need stimulus checks and unemployment.
i don't think keeping people at just edit: complaisant enough to accept what's going on is the opposite of a losing situation.
The only person who gets to inherit the failure to get the stimulus passed is Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. They are the only people anybody is seriously holding responsible for getting the checks out, as theyre the ones who promised 2K and a 15/hr wages.
The only person who should have been blamed for 2016 was Hillary, but we all saw how that went.
The only person who should have been blamed for underwhelming congressional gains in 2020 was Biden, but we all saw how that went.
Unemployment benefits expire on the 14th or something
Yea, it would be playing with fire to delay the bill in an effort to demand the minimum wage increase goes in. Its a game of chicken that progressives might lose, and the delay it causes hurts all the democrats.