Shit like this really fucks with me. If people here, who came to a website explicitly ML, who believe in everything from wage slavery to reparations to abolishment of all borders, still side with "fuck off, animal slavery is fine" over "enslavement is cruel" then what's the fucking point?
The best part is when they use an imagined impoverished Chinese person as a deflection point to call animal rights bourgeoise.
We need to stay because if we leave, the site continues to fall into this weird pit.
It's only until we are the majority, we keep bringing people who actually understand ethics here, that we turn the tide and begin convincing others.
I think a lot of people reading these threads came out of it very confused at how this site could possibly side with, "I really don't care about any cruelty whatsoever," and that leads to critical introspection.
the thing I love the most about when they point to an impoverished person in another country is that it's saying "well, animals can't be liberated there yet due to these legitimate circumstances," and then I nod, agreeing, until they basically say "so it's classist and bourgeoise to try to do it anywhere else."