They keep mentioning how Joyce and Kim are helpful to the player as representatives of liberalism, but Evrart and Measurehead are antagonists as representatives of socialism and fascism. And they're saying the devs accidentally made liberals seem more agreeable this way.
Yeah no shit the liberals are more polite to Harry, he's a cop. Evrart is trying to impede the investigation? No shit, Evrart is organizing a strike and you're some dumbass cop working with a lady who's on the board of directors of the company he's striking against.
And they're saying the devs screwed up by showing communists as murderers or ineffective? That's the point, that building communism is hard, mistakes are made, and Harry's bias as a dumbass alcoholic cop is going to color his perception of the world. I hate these libs so much. I thought liberals were supposed to be media savvy but they completely miss the point
This is on the devs for making the communism vision quest not mandatory, but the game literally has a character turn to the screen and monologue about how Communism is the only ideology that promises a better world is possible for each and every human being and that struggling for it is worth it even if you fail or are killed.
Meanwhile the fascism quest is all about how cope is destroying your life and ability to relate to other human beings, the moralism side quest has you fuck around with dumb bullshit that doesnt matter and almost gets you kidnapped by the state, and ultraliberalism is memes.
All the political quests are Harry's methods of dealing with pain, with varying degrees of success. They're all cope. However the communist quest is the only one though where he tries dealing with his pain in a productive way, that is, he tries to remain optimistic and tries to at least understand other people. He comes across as goofy and arrogant when he says communist stuff, but that's to be expected.
He's an alcoholic cop who had amnesia and suddenly decided he's the reincarnation of Kras Masov. He's never read theory, never organized. His heart is in the right place but he's a dumbass.
The other quests are unhealthy ways of dealing with pain, especially fascism. Fascist Harry becomes a shell whose life revolves around racial hatred. It's the only quest where Kim will chew you out, beyond a professional capacity. He'll get sick of your shit and will berate you outside the church. Kim is the most patient man on Earth and the fascism quest has you betray even his trust.
The moralism stuff is just Harry trying to live in the memory of his marriage. Ultraliberal I interpreted as trying to ignore everything that's happening, compete dissociation. "This is good, actually" as an ideology.
honestly I think a sequel (yes I know it will never happen) could fix so much of the problem here. Imagine if they do some crazy branching quest that remembers your save from the last game and if you did the communist path he's now read theory and isn't so worthless. (even without the IP controversy I'm sure that would be too complex for an indie studio or smthing let me dream)
Imagine if they do some crazy branching quest that remembers your save from the last game
Get out of my head, I was thinking exactly this not a few hours ago. I'm of two minds about a potential sequel, but if one ever materializes, this is precisely what I hope it is. You're probably right though, I doubt it'll happen like this, if at all.
i'm personally a fan of sequels that have only vague references to whatever they're following, but that's just me. I'd want the events of a sequel to happen decades or centuries later, with the events of the first game a footnote in a random history book somewhere. I like seeing long-term time spans
that could work in disco I think for sure, although really I think where it's needed to be used is more for continuing long epics/trilogies more often instead of "it's the main character's child!!!" cash grab stuff
Something easier to implement would be for the MC of the hypothetical sequel to meet Harry with corresponding dialogue changes for each political quest.
They keep mentioning how Joyce and Kim are helpful to the player as representatives of liberalism, but Evrart and Measurehead are antagonists as representatives of socialism and fascism. And they're saying the devs accidentally made liberals seem more agreeable this way.
Yeah no shit the liberals are more polite to Harry, he's a cop. Evrart is trying to impede the investigation? No shit, Evrart is organizing a strike and you're some dumbass cop working with a lady who's on the board of directors of the company he's striking against.
And they're saying the devs screwed up by showing communists as murderers or ineffective? That's the point, that building communism is hard, mistakes are made, and Harry's bias as a dumbass alcoholic cop is going to color his perception of the world. I hate these libs so much. I thought liberals were supposed to be media savvy but they completely miss the point
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first problem is eating media, that shit's not good for you
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i just wonder how hungry you have to be to eat books, tv, radio, whatever media
This is on the devs for making the communism vision quest not mandatory, but the game literally has a character turn to the screen and monologue about how Communism is the only ideology that promises a better world is possible for each and every human being and that struggling for it is worth it even if you fail or are killed.
Meanwhile the fascism quest is all about how cope is destroying your life and ability to relate to other human beings, the moralism side quest has you fuck around with dumb bullshit that doesnt matter and almost gets you kidnapped by the state, and ultraliberalism is memes.
spoilers just in case
All the political quests are Harry's methods of dealing with pain, with varying degrees of success. They're all cope. However the communist quest is the only one though where he tries dealing with his pain in a productive way, that is, he tries to remain optimistic and tries to at least understand other people. He comes across as goofy and arrogant when he says communist stuff, but that's to be expected.
He's an alcoholic cop who had amnesia and suddenly decided he's the reincarnation of Kras Masov. He's never read theory, never organized. His heart is in the right place but he's a dumbass.
The other quests are unhealthy ways of dealing with pain, especially fascism. Fascist Harry becomes a shell whose life revolves around racial hatred. It's the only quest where Kim will chew you out, beyond a professional capacity. He'll get sick of your shit and will berate you outside the church. Kim is the most patient man on Earth and the fascism quest has you betray even his trust.
The moralism stuff is just Harry trying to live in the memory of his marriage. Ultraliberal I interpreted as trying to ignore everything that's happening, compete dissociation. "This is good, actually" as an ideology.
honestly I think a sequel (yes I know it will never happen) could fix so much of the problem here. Imagine if they do some crazy branching quest that remembers your save from the last game and if you did the communist path he's now read theory and isn't so worthless. (even without the IP controversy I'm sure that would be too complex for an indie studio or smthing let me dream)
Get out of my head, I was thinking exactly this not a few hours ago. I'm of two minds about a potential sequel, but if one ever materializes, this is precisely what I hope it is. You're probably right though, I doubt it'll happen like this, if at all.
i'm personally a fan of sequels that have only vague references to whatever they're following, but that's just me. I'd want the events of a sequel to happen decades or centuries later, with the events of the first game a footnote in a random history book somewhere. I like seeing long-term time spans
that could work in disco I think for sure, although really I think where it's needed to be used is more for continuing long epics/trilogies more often instead of "it's the main character's child!!!" cash grab stuff
Something easier to implement would be for the MC of the hypothetical sequel to meet Harry with corresponding dialogue changes for each political quest.
True, although like I said unlikely to happen unfortunately :/