PETA are by far the largest and most prominent animal rights group, and while they're not as radical as I'd like them to be, they do qualify as radicals and that's more than you can say for other advocacy groups that would be considered the most prominent in their respective fields, such as the NAACP, HRC, ACLU, etc. They advocate for full abolition of domestication and have always refused to denounce ecoterrorism; you have to respect that even if you aren't a particular fan of them.
As an animal rights radical, I'm not the biggest PETA supporter because I disagree with their liberal entryism strategy of buying stock in meat companies to encourage more meat substitutes (although I can't deny that it seems to be working after all these years) and because, considering their huge size and amount of resources, I wish they would branch out a little more and cover more conservationist causes instead of focusing almost exclusively on agriculture and domestication. That said, I'm sick of it being in unwritten rule that every carnist has a right to be hostile towards vegans unless they explicitly denounce PETA as if they're on a sex offender registry.
PETA is still a good org, without them veganism would not be as widespread as it is today, and they're run by smart people who know that being scapegoated by neckbeard r*dditors for attacking vidya is a small price to pay for introducing vegan arguments to people who wouldn't be aware of them otherwise.
They advocate for full abolition of domestication and have always refused to denounce ecoterrorism; you have to respect that even if you aren’t a particular fan of them.
I had no idea about that, that's great.
I still strongly disagree with their PBC "buying up fast food stocks" approach. I think it's caused some shift within the past few years, but for most companies "vegan option" means "throw a beyond burger on the menu". In many cases, that burger still has animal products such as mayo or milk in the bun. The restaurant's core base is still animal products, and when peta or an individual supports that restaurant the vast majority of their contribution goes towards animal ag.
I also disagree with their PR approach just because a lot of their stunts at best muddy their core message. As a carnist, "attacking vidya" doesn't give any core message other than "this is so stupid". Even as a vegan, digital animal liberation is tangential at best to irl animal liberation and there are many ways that effort could be better spent. "Unapologetic vegan" works but also, pick your battles.
Overall, I feel they have a great goal but their methods are at best apologetic and at worst at odds with their end goal.
"Digital animal liberation", while a million times less important to real animal liberation, still matters to some extent because of just how absurdly anthropocentric our culture is. We have to keep pushing the argument wherever people go because animal exploitation is everywhere in society. We need to remind people that even though Pokemon is just a collection of pixels, animal baiting is real and nobody does anything to stop it. I get that some people just "want to grill" and watch the proverbial football game without being reminded of politics, but the job of activists is to remind people that the animals (or the victim of whatever issue is being protested) being killed don't have the privilege ignore the issue.
Duane Morris litigators share insights from decades of experience representing businesses and institutions that feature or utilize animals or animal products.
Lol okay, I should trust the lawyers who represent animal ag.
Nathan Winograd is the director of the No Kill Advocacy Center, who you keep citing, and who published that vid.
Here's PeTA's response to the Foreign Service agent's accusations
How often have you heard of veganism itself as a "cult"? How about vegan orgs? How about leftist orgs? I'm so sick of this accusation. I'm not a huge fan of PeTA, but goddamn, seriously? Spending your time painting vegans and vegan orgs as cults is gross.
It seems vegans put up a decent argument at first. They're butthurt over their love for animals and how we're supposed to eat them, and as long as they're not trying to force anyone else into their cult, all is well in the world, right?
Go ahead and click, they think vegans are as cult like as scientologists. You love to see it.
Same Anonymous that repeatedly hacks and threatens China, Pro-China Hong Kongers, and North Korea, too.
Looks like they love also spreading lies from meat lobbying firms. Surprise, surprise.
it is not the Center for Consumer Freedom which is thwarting our effort to achieve a No Kill nation or build a better world for companion animals; rather, it is the leaders of organizations who are supposed to protect animals but instead betray them.
They're fucking meat lobbyists! They promote animal ag! They're responsible for more animal deaths than any damn shelter!
PETA are by far the largest and most prominent animal rights group, and while they're not as radical as I'd like them to be, they do qualify as radicals and that's more than you can say for other advocacy groups that would be considered the most prominent in their respective fields, such as the NAACP, HRC, ACLU, etc. They advocate for full abolition of domestication and have always refused to denounce ecoterrorism; you have to respect that even if you aren't a particular fan of them.
As an animal rights radical, I'm not the biggest PETA supporter because I disagree with their liberal entryism strategy of buying stock in meat companies to encourage more meat substitutes (although I can't deny that it seems to be working after all these years) and because, considering their huge size and amount of resources, I wish they would branch out a little more and cover more conservationist causes instead of focusing almost exclusively on agriculture and domestication. That said, I'm sick of it being in unwritten rule that every carnist has a right to be hostile towards vegans unless they explicitly denounce PETA as if they're on a sex offender registry.
PETA is still a good org, without them veganism would not be as widespread as it is today, and they're run by smart people who know that being scapegoated by neckbeard r*dditors for attacking vidya is a small price to pay for introducing vegan arguments to people who wouldn't be aware of them otherwise.
I had no idea about that, that's great.
I still strongly disagree with their PBC "buying up fast food stocks" approach. I think it's caused some shift within the past few years, but for most companies "vegan option" means "throw a beyond burger on the menu". In many cases, that burger still has animal products such as mayo or milk in the bun. The restaurant's core base is still animal products, and when peta or an individual supports that restaurant the vast majority of their contribution goes towards animal ag.
I also disagree with their PR approach just because a lot of their stunts at best muddy their core message. As a carnist, "attacking vidya" doesn't give any core message other than "this is so stupid". Even as a vegan, digital animal liberation is tangential at best to irl animal liberation and there are many ways that effort could be better spent. "Unapologetic vegan" works but also, pick your battles.
Overall, I feel they have a great goal but their methods are at best apologetic and at worst at odds with their end goal.
Agree totally on the fast food stocks.
"Digital animal liberation", while a million times less important to real animal liberation, still matters to some extent because of just how absurdly anthropocentric our culture is. We have to keep pushing the argument wherever people go because animal exploitation is everywhere in society. We need to remind people that even though Pokemon is just a collection of pixels, animal baiting is real and nobody does anything to stop it. I get that some people just "want to grill" and watch the proverbial football game without being reminded of politics, but the job of activists is to remind people that the animals (or the victim of whatever issue is being protested) being killed don't have the privilege ignore the issue.
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Nathan Winograd is the Adrian Zenz of animal rights orgs
http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/the-curious-case-of-nathan-winograd.html
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Lol okay, I should trust the lawyers who represent animal ag.
Nathan Winograd is the director of the No Kill Advocacy Center, who you keep citing, and who published that vid.
Here's PeTA's response to the Foreign Service agent's accusations
http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/the-curious-case-of-heather-harper-troje.html
Oh and look, it's Nathan Winograd
https://www.nathanwinograd.com/peta-is-a-terrifying-and-desensitizing-cult-another-former-peta-employee-speaks-out
How often have you heard of veganism itself as a "cult"? How about vegan orgs? How about leftist orgs? I'm so sick of this accusation. I'm not a huge fan of PeTA, but goddamn, seriously? Spending your time painting vegans and vegan orgs as cults is gross.
Oh what's this, it's Nathan Fucking Winograd.
https://www.nathanwinograd.com/peta-is-a-terrifying-and-desensitizing-cult-another-former-peta-employee-speaks-out
I bet you'll never guess, but it's Nathan Winograd again lol.
https://twitter.com/OpPeTA/status/341661528547811329?s=19
Also, the same Anonymous that writes Encyclopedia Dramatica, very nice.
Go ahead and click, they think vegans are as cult like as scientologists. You love to see it.
Same Anonymous that repeatedly hacks and threatens China, Pro-China Hong Kongers, and North Korea, too.
Looks like they love also spreading lies from meat lobbying firms. Surprise, surprise.
https://twitter.com/OpPeTA/status/339029016226959361?s=19
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He's in bed with the Center for Consumer Freedom
https://www.consumerfreedom.com/articles/183-the-book-hsus-and-peta-dont-want-you-to-read
https://www.nathanwinograd.com/frenemies
They're fucking meat lobbyists! They promote animal ag! They're responsible for more animal deaths than any damn shelter!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Organizational_Research_and_Education
Funny how you keep spreading propaganda from fucking meat lobbyists and animal ag lawyers
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I already addressed your sources. Kindly fuck off
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