Akz1918 [he/him]

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  • Akz1918 [he/him]toMaingolden statue of trump at CPAC.
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    4 years ago

    Not exactly, the OG neocon was Henry Scoop Jackson aka the Senator from Boeing. He was the Democratic Senator from Washington, who's domestic policies could hardly be called fascist. Neocon refers to a particular foreign policy position, where as neoliberism is a economic policy, not that I need to tell you but one that seeks to deregulate, institute austerity, union bust, and not enforce anti-trust laws, i.e. the fascists economic policy, of Italy, Germany, Portugal, and Spain when they were run by fascist dictators. There is nothing "socdem" about a neolib, however a neocon can be a socdem, ex Scoop Jackson.




  • [change their tune] could be, but because the the Atari, New, Blue dog, and DLC, Third Way dems have been so successful at gutting new deal regulations, lowering the social floor, union busting and privatizing the number of people who "who will earn a decent sum of money" will be negligible, furthermore, I may have not have been as clear as I thought I was. Yes a persons economic conditions often shape a person's ideology, the greatest gen grew up during the depression, boomers grew up during the most prosperous time in U.S. history. The greatest gen voted for Obama (who ran a a Economic populist in 08) in 08 (the silent gen and boomers did not who did not live through the depression did not) the GG was well aware of who the villains were that caused the great depression, and what it would take to fix it. Boomers went though a few minor recessions, and a bit of stagnation, that was blamed on unions/regulations/high taxes but nothing like the great depression. again Boomers do not now nor have they ever had a distrust of finance and big business. They believe their station in life is a result of their own hard work, and not the result of labor battles one before they were born. This mind set is not something that developed as their station improved, it's a mind set they always has because their station was never in dire straits.


  • Every generation, in the past 30 years, in the U.S. has become more liberal on social issues. It's a snap shot, of a corner of the globe that debunks your claim that people become more conservative as they age, it does not debunk your claim that people's politics change depending on their station in life, something I don't disagree with. Boomers grew up enjoying a comfortable life in no small part due to the work unions put in before they were born, and the new deal regulations that prevented monopolies, cartels, banks gambling with their deposits, and policies that encouraged long term viability instead of short term profits. They did not experience life before those changes were made, younger generations are now experiencing the results of Boomers actions to bust unions, and gut regulations, and they are more economically liberal as a result.


  • [OTHER way on social issues] not even remotely close. From same sex marriage, to marijuana legalization, to criminal justice reform etc EVERY generation has become more liberal, countless polls have demonstrated that. And politicians have responded in kind. Biden wrote the most draconian crime bill decades, it was signed in to law by Clinton. The most comprehensive criminal justice reform bill in decades (First Step Act) was introduced by Rep. Doug Collins a Republican, not from the liberal North East, not from the liberal great lakes region, not from the West coast, but from the dirty South state of Georgia, and signed in to law by Trump.


  • Off the top, again every single demo in the U.S. Has become more liberal on social issues as they have aged, from criminal justice to sexual liberation, the lone exceptions are abortion which has remained flat for the past few decades, and if you consider gun control a left wing policy (I don't) support has declined. In your previous comment you stated boomers are responsible for progressive policies in the 60s, the oldest boomers in 1970 were 22. They promptly became Atari dems at best and reactionary at worst. When they finally started getting elected to Congress they immediately used their power to remove populist dems from banking and finance committees, and got to work gutting new deal regulations on banking and Wall Street. Here in the U.S., boomers were very progressive on race issues relative to the rest of the population, this is true, however they have never had anything but disdain for unions, and thought things like anti-trust were stupid. The boomer mindset at least here in the U.S. Has never been concerned with concentration of capital, at any point in their lives.


  • The greatest gen voted for Obama twice, boomers didn't. To boomers credit polling has shown them to be far less racist than the gens preceding them by a very large margin, where as younger gens while being less racist than boomers, it is by a smaller margin than boomers vs silent, and the greatest gen. The data repeatedly shows a person's ideology sifts very little from the first election they voted in, that's when they develop their politics, and it changes very little. Boomers don't have a populist bone in their body, the banks and wall street didn't send me off to war, D.C. did, and what have unions ever done for me except drive up cost of products, and take money out of my check, I got to where I am all by myself, is their mind set, and always has been, it is vastly different mindset from the greatest gen, although it is similar to the salient gen.