It's been several weeks now since Virgil has been on his own show. Has he been cancelled or he is just he locked in the bathroom with IBS? Does anybody know?
If the allegations are true I suspect Virgil will just ghost society in order not to have to deal with it.
If they’re fake I suspect Virgil will have decided that being a left public figure ain’t worth the stress and will ghost society.
folks, we have the best emojis on the internet, people are saying it more and more
Even with a fake job like podcasting I feel like not showing up for work and ghosting your coworkers for months on end is a slightly risky move to pull off right after you just got fired from your last job for doing the same thing
Honestly this is what makes me think they're more likely real than fake. I really doubted the accusations, but doing this shit twice is career suicide. The only way doing it makes sense is if you know there's shit that could come out and biding your time in hope that they stop caring about you is better.
The only way doing it makes sense is if
Yeah that is wrong. Speaking as neurodivergent person.
Can't believe already-soft-spoken-guy with anxiety issues would just ghost us like that.
He must be guilty of the most heinous crime I can imagine.
Counterpoint: There is no "right" way to handle anonymous accusations like this(Except if its undeniably true and you just admit to it), if he was immediately out with a prepared statement it could just be seen as him trying to save face and his career instead, plus like others said if someone is neurodivergent or has other things going on that impacts how they handle crisis situations its not suspicious to shut themselves off from society.
You can think what you want if its a good way or not to handle it but it shouldnt confirm or dispell the accusations, the accusations are what they are and if there is evidence for them then that will be what confirms them.
I think you could just as easily read this as a guy who (1) has enough money not to have an immediate need to work, and (2) is incredibly pessimistic about this whole thing -- meaning the overall political situation first, and now a sexual misconduct accusation on top of it -- and just doesn't want to deal with it. I've had half of that and have had a hard time slogging through a bunch of stuff you see as meaningless frustrations, so I can imagine the temptation to simply dip out if you have the means to do so.
I couldn't help but feel a rift between Virgil and the other Chapos- compare Virgil leaving to Brendan leaving. No mention of Virgil or his new pod on air, let alone any kind of cross-promotion. Like they've had BJG on before, it's not like they're strangers
I have a friend who can just completely ignore all communications for months on end. He struggles with depression, alcoholism, and other issues. I love him and don't judge him for any of the ghosting. He knows I care and when he needs help I'm there. And when he's ready to re-engage with us he's welcomed with open arms and no one makes a big deal about it.
That said, I'm not trying to do a podcast with this friend, either. I don't actually rely on him for anything, really. I can only imagine how frustrating it would be if I was trying to do a podcast with him and I was just getting ghosted, despite the fact that he's a friend and I really care about his wellbeing before anything else.
I assume they just finally made him decide if he wanted to continue being on Chapo or not, and to be fair, it did take about a year after he first started ghosting them for both parties to officially separate. Even if they're the best of friends the amount of money involved probably complicated things
Don't forget, an inquisitive twitter user discovered that the sketchy account in question (the accuser's first follow/follower) was tied to the Gmail account "j***********g@g.com" or, if you fill in the blanks, "jenniferseberg@gmail.com"
I thought that seemed fairly damning. But like I've said before, Virgil's handling of this makes it harder to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Virgil’s handling of this makes it harder to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The dude literally vanishes from the face of the earth without any reason at all. You don't think a high profile, public accusation of sex crimes would be enough to trigger the same reaction? Whether it's a true or false accusation, it would be weirder if he did address it.
What do you mean that it would be weirder if he did address it?
Vanishing from the face of the earth is far and away not the usual playbook for a public figure faced with sexual misconduct allegations.
What do you mean that it would be weirder if he did address it?
Exactly what I said?
Vanishing from the face of the earth is far and away not the usual playbook for a public figure faced with sexual misconduct allegations.
Vanishing from the face of the earth is far and away not the usual playbook for anyone. But it is for Virgil Texas.
I think this place has been pretty level about it, and honestly I kinda agree with @SiskoDid2ThingsWrong 's semi-ironic comment in this thread.
Rape and sexual assault are truly insidious crimes due to the really personal nature that they tend to occur in making them difficult to prosecute (on both the legal and colloquial sense). False accusations of this sort are also quite insidious for related reasons (not to say false accusations are "worse" or even equal which is beside the point anyway). It does suck to feel like your good nature is being used against you and leaves reactionaries a wide window to (potentially) do things like this.
I don't really know what a reasonable solution is in the short term (someone please inform/remind me), but hopefully the complete abolition of patriarchy will make sexual assault something that doesn't occur at all under FALGSC.
I am personally unwilling to believe an anonymous victim.
When an actual victim comes forward publicly then I will consider, but literally anyone can write something and claim this or that online behind anonymity. I'm not believing accusations without a known victim that could eat shit in court if they're lying.
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't trust court decisions either. Just that anonymous claims like this are purely aimed at online damage and harm, not at any actual justice. The victim isn't seeking any personal outcome in people finally being aware of their trauma because nobody knows who the victim is. It is pure damage.
If someone comes forward that can actually be identified then the whole situation changes. That person is seeking justice, personal vindication for what they've held quiet, etc etc. This one, if they ARE a victim, is still coming at it from the wrong place and it's only to do harm, and they are indistinguishable from someone faking to do harm which is especially sus.
I don't trust it. Never will. Give me a human being and I would change attitude completely but I can only reject this kind of thing because it's the only sensible thing to do.
I don’t really know what a reasonable solution is in the short term
Not paying attention to what some random completely anonymous twitter account which hasn't followed up with anything ever says is a good first step. Like, even if there is something to them, that's wayyyy beneath standards.
Yeah, it looks kinda bad for VT to just go radio silent in the short term, but it looks worse in the long term if there's never any follow up from the accuser (/"accuser") besides anonymous Twitter posts.
This shit is probably very stressful so I perfectly understand going silent. I really don't understand how anyone can pay attention to a completely anonymous twitter post, literally anyone can do this and it doesn't even sound very believable, it sounds like some kind of copypasta.
I've been hanging out in various other places online lately, and one of them has people who clearly came from communities like stupidpol, redscare, and cumtown -- subs like that. Based on the things that get said, I'm still trying to understand whether chapo.chat users are actually supposed to be identity politics shills or class reductionists... lol.
The mod grooming thing has been mentioned very recently actually. The evidence was a link to a post on r/trueanon, which was itself a crosspost to a post on r/redscare, which had a screenshot of an anonymous burner account making a public post with the accusation on chapo.chat.
I have no idea what really happened, IF anything at all, but I have never seen any convincing evidence personally
That whole thing ended up essentially going nowhere, a big public accusation was made against an admin/mod here, the mod stepped down and vowed to provide any information necessary to the mod team investigation, the investigation apparently found that every bit of evidence presented in the public accusation could have been attained from public posts from the moderator, so the mod team requested that the accuser contact them in private to supply more information.
The accuser did not do this and offered confusing explanations as to why they did not contact the mod team, continued making public posts insulting the mod team for not having gotten rid of the moderator and so on, when those were deleted the accuser claimed that the mod team were silencing victims and eventually went completely quiet. Thats the end of it, the accusation could realistically have been a kiwifarms op kind of deal and when questioned the accuser did not cooperate but instead just threw shit around and insulted people for not having given a guilty verdict yet.
Is beatnik back in admin now? At least under one of our mysterious admin names?
I don't know, I havent heard anything about that and I think in general speculating about it is sorta discouraged.
Yeah. To associate another user account with Beatnik would be in effect doxxing.
Neither, in my personal opinion.
that's what I was getting at lol (but perhaps too dryly), I've been hanging out here since like the second day the site went up
So I get the urge to believe victims
A little surprised we haven't seen the Cuba-Twitter stuff turn into a #MeToo thing.
Parade a bunch of women on TV and say "We were all raped in Cuba and that's why we left and so now you have to invade because if you don't then you're not a real feminist". Sort of like what they did with Iraq and the "Saddam murdered babies in their incubators" shit.
it has been done before a few decades back. iirc in this interview former CIA John Stockwell mentions a disinfo campaign to convince Americans that the Cuban revolutionaries were gang raping but I'll have to watch again to remember the name of the incident they lied about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1tfkESPVY
"One, Virgil needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Virgil's not on-air, all the other podcasters should be asking ‘Where’s Virgil?'"
We need a more extreme Virgil Texas, one who really pushes the paradigm for maximum synergy
Let's rastafy him by 20 %
Goddammit can we just go back to Virgil explaining SDE's in the Iowa Primary please
I am kinda inclined to think this is none of my business.
Am I knee jerk trying to avoid parasocial involvment too hard?
No, this is the best way to handle shit, wait for a followup and don't obsess over it, in particular dont try to go after anyones livelihood like happens in so many of these accusations.
I mean, I like Virgil and I miss his commentary and I hope he comes back.
The way he just poofed off a podcast that he pioneered is unsettling, particularly when it seems like some right-wing psychos came after him with a hatchet. If Virgil were here now, I'd want him to know he's still got my love and support. He's a cool dude, and I'm sending him good vibes wherever he happens to be.
She made a statement saying he was going to address it somehow idk what happened after that
That shit was boring I decided to smoke weed and do artsy shit instead of law school and whenever I look at bad faith I realize exactly what I dodged
yeah the pod is the coolest lawyers can ever be, and even then theyre not that cool
This is ALAB erasure.
Tarik is far cooler than BJG, because he isn't a nerd.
A few months back before the accusation, I was in between segments of Left Reckoning, looking for something to bide the time, and Bad Faith was live so I figured I'd kill some time watching them. In those ten or so minutes I heard BJG talking wistfully about jogging in Colonial Georgetown and talking about talking with former Warren stans, who BJG views as her ... I forget the exact word, colleagues or comrades, something to that effect. Warren supporters. She was Bernie's goddamn press secretary.
Cool.
you'd think taste would be the most important criteria for pump chili but you'd be wrong. the most important factor is a nice, uniform consistency, and 7-11 makes a damn fine chili slurry. always on the lookout for a new chili dispenser though
Does anyone have a specific cushvlog from when Virgil went missing the first time? People were asking Matt where Virgil was, and Matt replied, "Don't know, don't care." That's all I remember
