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  • Alterecho@midwest.socialtonews*Permanently Deleted*
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    1 year ago

    Thank you for the reply! This has been super helpful in guiding some reading and providing some context. It's very interesting that there was quite a bit of criticism from all sides about the laws outright banning discussion and support of communism. Following that, there didn't seem to be much in the way of responsiveness to that criticism. Even the Venice Commission was pretty highly critical of it, and of conflating Communism with Nazism.


  • Alterecho@midwest.socialtonews*Permanently Deleted*
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    1 year ago

    Right, I know NATO was literally created as a show of united force against the Soviet Union post WW2- when you say encirclement, what does that mean? Is it specifically the growth of NATO to include more States in what's traditionally Russia's sphere of influence?


  • Alterecho@midwest.socialtonews*Permanently Deleted*
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    1 year ago

    Ok, so I want to know, if anyone would be kind enough to humor me, what's the general understanding of the context behind the war in Ukraine here, on Hexbear?

    My personal understanding has been shaped by just passively existing on the Internet through this event, and I'm curious if there's another perspective that I've not been exposed to.




  • Ah Yes, another fine addition to my reading list.

    seriously though, we live in a late-stage capitalist hellscape and it's always funny to be when people use government monitoring fears to justify removing core social safety nets while simultaneously Walmart, Google, etc. Know when your balls ache because they have collected data on you from when you were prepubescent.


  • I'm actually not not into the idea of being able to instantly and accurately judge the needs of a whole nation of people. I mean shit, we already collect so much data through smart watches that once we are able to accurately measure metabolic rate, that's like 90% of it right there I think lol


  • I think that for sure one of the drawbacks of the labor to currency system is the blind consumerism and the unethical conditions necessary to, say, make a bacon cheeseburger. I think the unethical parts of that interaction have more to do with corporate price-gouging and abuse of labor than the consumer themselves, who (in our current system) is kept intentionally blind to the real cost of their meal.

    I think that for sure rent-seeking is one of those things that, in this theoretical government, would need to be addressed. Landlords and speculators are clearly opportunists with no connection to the stuff they milk value from, and that's problematic.

    On reflection, ultimately I have no problem with the premise that people don't necessarily need to understand how to grow wheat, or even know someone who owns wheat, in order to consume the labor of a farmer- so long as that farmer is capable of truly leveraging their labor favorably and also benefits from that interaction. In that scenario, the farmer also uses the abstraction, which allows them to really utilize all of their labor through a larger base of people to sell to. They can also put this theoretical currency towards things that contribute to their fulfillment and that of their family members without knowing the person who produces those things personally, and so on.

    I think one place I'm struggling with this is I'm having a hard time conceptualizing how people with more ephemeral skills would be able to leverage that skill into the resources necessary to obtain other types of fulfillment without a way to hold and transfer the value they generate. I'm sure there are philosophers who've written books on books about it, and I just need to find their work lol.


    I think that we stopped using horses and adapted systems to do similar work, for sure, but that was after we had already iterated into the saddle, the cart, the wagon, carriage, etc. Horse to car is a big step if we look at the two of them without the greater context, but it was thousands of years of technology and iteration before we got there. They're fundamentally interrelated- I mean heck, we even measure the power of an engine by horses.

    I agree that the natural next step economically is coming, and that's a fact- the questions in my eyes are: what's the horse, what's the carriage, and what are we replacing the horse with?


  • I think that there's quite a bit to be said for the ability to abstract something like labor and turn it into a common resource that can be utilized by anyone- if I need to buy a Japanese computer part from a very small manufacturing organization, that's about the only way to make sure that all parties are seeing value in a transaction, seeing that there's no guarantee that I have anything they would want or need, and I may never interact with them again.

    I agree, we can for sure improve on the concepts involved, but that doesn't mean that they're accidental, and there's a reason that the system was even marginally successful.

    I think like, evolution is a great example of a similar process - the biological functions formed by evolutionary processes aren't intentional, because intention implies cognitive processes that a natural law isn't capable of; but they do serve purpose. They aren't accidents, because the system is by its nature iterative and of course something would work eventually. Is there a theoretically more efficient structure than the one that we currently have for the human heart? Sure! That's just not the structure that evolved through selective pressure.

    Again, not to say we shouldn't try to improve on systems of economy and government, but more to say that there's still lessons to be taken from what we currently have; it worked in some small way, which means we probably wouldn't benefit from throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.


  • I definitely think that if any theoretical government would be capable of making that core work-to-value cycle work, it certainly would look pretty radically different than the US, I mostly live here because I was born here, I have a support system here, and my ancestors were literally bled to death here lol