If you want to say China is overpolicing a minority group that the US actively funds terrorist recruitment for, then yeah, I’ve agreed that that’s probably true multiple times.

This is whataboutism.

but that’s not the same as calling China “capitalism with marxist aesthetics”, ignoring all the incredible good they’ve done for their domestic poor over the last three decades, which is all I fucking see.

And this is defending capitalism cause China does it. The whole "China has lifted so many people out of poverty" isn't far off from the "boot straps" mythology thrown around in defense of capitalism, or the whole defense of neoliberal policy "offering opportunity and building the middle class". It's hilarious to me that people start defending capitalism when it's a discussion over China. No quote on quote "socialist" country has produced more billionaires than China. Their working class is exploited and paid literal poverty wages. But that's all A-OK to you guys cause they call themselves communist and the country itself is this wonderful, amazing communist utopia, just with sweatshops and a mass wealth inequality between rich and poor.

When you have to make excuses for a "socialist" country having a billionaire class, you will defend anything until it is capitalism in name only.

The worship for Xi on this site is some of the most annoying shit on here. The OP is 100% correct in everything on her main post, and #2 especially. It's lefty pol. The worship for Xi isn't any different from the pol chuds worshiping Trump.

Elon Musk is basically Donald Trump for nerds. His followers are no different than the screaming MAGA chuds.

Feels like an empty gesture like when they finally banned The_Donald. They already moved to r/conservative and The Donald win site over 2 years ago.

Reddit should go after the many, many subs full of open and proud neonazis on there. They can start with stupidpol.

This is pretty much DHS all over again. When it first came about in 2001, there were only a few people saying it wouldn't take long for the organization to be infiltrated and run by white supremacists.

This is Biden's reaction to all of this and he's doing exactly as I and others predicted; building more authoritarian police state stuff, which will be used by our future real deal fascist leader down the line.

kinda wonder how many conservatives “on the edge” of fascist radicalization this whole thing have pushed fully into the Trump camp versus how many were pushed firmly away

Early polls have shown that the wide majority of conservatives supported the attempted coup and were happy to witness it. Trump has the highest approval rating among conservatives of an elected president since Ronald Reagan.

Libs are morons and live in a fantasy land and don't want to come to terms with the fact that Republicans are not going to go "come back to their senses" or "go back to normal". They were never normal. They love Trump because he is them and says the quiet parts out loud, being mean and hateful towards people they loathe.

Trump is basically Reagan on steroids. If he were still alive, he'd be cheering him and proud of his destruction of the federal government and all the neocons enriching themselves from the presidency.

She had her office broken into and vandalized, being forced to flee in fear, and yet this is her response....

Dems are such cowards. They'll be too busy arguing about making sure our cages have pillows and blankets while we're hauled off to camps.

The liberal response will absolutely be to increase police budgets, authorise more lethal force and police powers, increase surveillance capability and possibly even more draconian forms of pre-crime arrest. They’ll give fascist a dream suite of weapons to ensure absolute success as well as further entrenching the psychology of law enforcement as the vanguard of the country, the makers of its destiny, the only thing standing between the dangerous masses and the country’s existence.

Sadly true. We saw that from libs after all the BLM protests during the summer. "Police reform" is such a joke. Citations Needed did an excellent episode on this where they talked about how all the police reform talks after the Ferguson riots just resulted in them getting even more bloated budgets and tools. It led to the whole body cams and those have been proven to be useless since in court, the body cams will often be used as evidence to defend the police.

All libs are doing is whining about how the police sided with the fascists, and I highly doubt any Dems in Congress are going to push to investigate them for corruption or anything. Instead, we'll probably get an investigation over that woman they shot and killed yesterday since the right wing will make her into a martyr. The movie Serpico proves how useless their investigations are into corruption anyway. That movie and the real life Frank Serpico documented NYPD corruption in the 1970s. The NYPD only continued to get worse as decades went on.

Great reply, thank you. I 100% agree that it's a radicalization point. This whole thing is a wet dream for the far right. Your post made me think of the 90s era militia types. They have been waiting for a moment like this for decades and seeing it, they have to be happy.

We'll likely see it again in the future. As my original post states, it was a test run for the future. I expect to see them do crazier things now in states with local governments.

This is the reaction from the far right that many of us are anticipating during Biden's presidency. We haven't seen anything yet. They are going to get a lot crazier and scarier under another neoliberal president.

Meanwhile Trump himself was only excited to see a big crowd cheering him on. He backed down like a coward as he always does after all the tough talk.

It is amazing to me how these people put everything on the line and literally worship a reality TV star who has only been using the presidency to enrich himself, his family and his cronies. They had to invent the Q shit just to explain why Trump wasn't making American great again for them.

I'm seeing a lot of talk about how she was radicalized online being a former police officer. I'm sure it's true, but the only thing important here is that now the far right have another martyr to rally behind. They'll treat her like the victims of Ruby Ridge, Waco and other incidents of government killing someone.

And the more racist I talk, and whine about other left groups, I'm TOTALLY not involved in a government psyop! Let me quickly tell you something about the class war, so you believe me!

and liberals aren't going to do jack shit about it. They'll just act shocked again when they see cops still siding with fascists in the future.

I would argue the comparison is fair, but I certainly agree with the points you made still. It was an exercise of the power they wield, like you said. Easy if you’ve got the backing of the state violence apparatus.

I disagree, cause the Bundy family were in dispute over a government agency and in a small town. I live in the rural south. I can attest that the ATF are corrupt and usually in small towns, you have government agencies like ATF, BLM and then the city police who live there outside their jurisdiction whom are also corrupt. Yesterday was an army of far right people taking on the entire federal government. Not over a land dispute or something shady going on a small town. All over a sitting president whom they worship.

I’m not sure it really matters if the libs underestimate them. I don’t know if they have any answer for it, regardless of how they view them. I think the libs would have to try to match that power, but they don’t do that, just acquiesce.

Yeah, it don't matter in the long run, I agree there. Libs are still smugly talking about how these people are a joke. Libs are smug, over-educated wimps. They aren't about to arm themselves and spend years training and preparing for something like this. We saw the most they will do yesterday, which is get on Twitter and whine about how the cops aren't arresting them. Libs are absolutely useless and I hope yesterday proved to people they aren't going to radicalize. They'll just sit there and hope for the cops to save the day, then act surprised when the cops side with fascists.

Yep, I remember that cause I worked in Mobile Alabama back in 2015 where he announced his presidency and did his first rally. The mainstream media focused entirely on the racist stuff he said, but the local media in Alabama were in LOVE with him over it. This was right after the gay marriage SCOTUS ruling too. There were local preachers in Mobile who were championing him as a savior that would go after the gay sinners (it's forgotten now, but Alabama was refusing marriage license and had a huge scandal trying to jail someone for approving a same sex marriage).

Liberals and the mainstream media just don't get it and I'm convinced after 4 years, they don't want to get it. They truly believe the myth of the "good Republican", so they focused on how mean and hateful Trump was, despite that being the reason conservatives fell in love with him. He says the quiet parts out loud. He don't use the same coded language that previous Republicans would use. Libs have basically lived in a fantasy land since Obama was elected and they thought racism and bigotry just magically went away until Trump came along and made it magically return.

It is the first time a far right movement has taken the capitol. Yesterday IMO was a test run. They not only proved that it was possible, but incredibly easy to do with backing of police. There is no comparison to the Bundy family. The Bundys were in a dispute with BLM (the land management government agency), who are more or less, like the ATF of the west. Many people supported them cause BLM and ATF have a history of shady shit and doing people wrong. The son of that family won his trial by acting as his own lawyer, cause despite all the jokes about him looking like an inbred hillbilly, he was well educated and smart enough to convince a jury.

I mention this just to say, I think you’re absolutely correct. The Capitol was a shit show, but I think we’d be underestimating these freaks to say that there isn’t the obvious potential for more and better organized sieges.

They've been underestimated for years. Liberals just spent 4 years pointing and laughing at them for worshiping a reality TV star as president. They should've been taking them seriously instead of whining about Antifa and BLM protesters.

The far right have been organizing for decades and waiting for this moment. The militias are far more partisan today than they were in the 90s. Those old militias were more or less, Libertarian types who were individually pissed at the government. What we're looking at in the future is them actually forming paramilitaries and uniting under the same banner. This isn't anything new. They have always been organized and armed to the teeth. They have had decades to prepare for this. What happened yesterday was a test run, but it proved to them they can pull it off in the future.

Problem for them is, Trump really isn't concerned about any of this.

He wants his ego stroked and to feel adored. When he saw the big crowd yesterday, that was enough to satisfy him. It made him feel loved and as another poster said yesterday, he probably got the most sleep he has had in months as a result of it. Trump is a moron more worried about his ego than anything else. If he truly wanted it yesterday, he could've seized power and started a full civil war.

My guess is that the QAnon people that just got elected to Congress are going to stick around and eventually Trump's base is going to morph into something else. These people were already crazy before Trump came around. He just absorbed the Tea Party, conspiracy fringe and far right base all under the same banner. They're going to hang around and worship him until the next fascist comes and swoops up that base. I don't think it will be Tom Cotton, Crenshaw or any elected officials. It'll likely be someone coming out of nowhere. Probably a Silicon Valley tech billionaire.

So a fascist comes along and essentially blames the contradictions of capitalism on the existence of minorities. They make promises of better material conditions and flip leftist talking points about class and idpol to be reactionary to gain power

This is more or less my prediction. I think M4A will be transformed and morphed into something by the next fascist who comes around. They'll morph it into something like "Healthcare for all Americans" and they've already begun blaming wealth inequality on immigrants and criminals. If protesting continues to be dominant in the following years (strong possibility, it kinda already is if we go back to 2014), then fascists have a chance to normalize talking points about how all the protesters are criminals "looting and acting like thugs".

One thing that is often left out with Trump is that the middle class petty bourgeoise absolutely voted for him and were his base in 2016. Libs and the media never want to focus on this aspect cause they just ran Joe Biden as the "middle class president".

These are the over-educated, middle and upper class smug liberals who think they know how the world works. This guy makes it a point to condescendingly talk down to people like he knows everything. He's got a piece of paper that tells him he's smart, so he apparently is.

Yep, we've been on a carefully paved path to fascism for a while now. I believe it truly began with Ronald Reagan's presidency, and then escalated further and further from there. The PATRIOT Act was the major turning point going into the 2000s and what do you know, it was written by a Democrat we just elected to president.