All the posts and statements going on with lines like "this woman is dead b/c if trump" or describing the incident as tragic are wild.
Maybe someone here can talk me off this point.
I get that a family lost a loved one but I just don't care?
Why should I feel sympathy for a QAnon freak who would kill me?
Im getting real sick of these absolute chuds trying to go-opt the BLM language too. Seeing someone post “Her life mattered. Say her name” fills me with pure hatred, as if shes comparable to fucking Breonna Taylor and George Floyd.
Obviously ACAB, but holy shit
Say her name
Well we do need to know whose grave to piss on
no need to feel sympathy IMO. if anything she's going to chudhalla like she explicitly wanted ¯_(ツ)_/¯
the kkk burning crosses is good because it's the people doing it. large gatherings of people doing things aren't good because they are large gatherings of people.
no one is saying that the police should've shot her, we just don't particularly care that they did
Oh she's definitely in Valhalla. The only person who died in battle yesterday pretty much gets scooped up by default.
In today's lecture I will explain why Valhalla is not heaven and why you don't want to go there (it's full of psycho killers)
"Yay, I went to Valhalla!"
"OH GOD ALL THEY DO IS FIGHT TO THE DEATH WHICH NEVER COMES IN AN ENDLESS CYCLE OF PAIN"
I think there were a couple heart attacks too
What, a eternal cycle of overeating then fighting to the death only ended by the apocalypse doesn't sound fun? Lib
Heart attacks don't count. Can't fight fire giants with a bad ticker.
Also - Immortal pig butchered every evening to feed the heroes? Extremely haram.
Yeah, I think I'd much rather go to the other Viking afterlife for non-warriors
Word. Snorri was writing for kings and noblemen - professional murderers. I would dearly love to know if common farmers thought as highly of Valhalla as we're lead to think they did, or if going to Valhalla was mostly an ambition of the professional murdering and thieving classes.
Whenever people on here express sympathy for these people, like, I get it, we want to empathize, the sheer reality of death is inherently heavy, etc., but these are people who literally search out and pass around stories about trans teenagers killing themselves, these are the kinds of pukes that went around mocking the murders of countless black people by the police, the murders of people like Garrett Foster and Sean Kelleher, these are the freaks who admire zoophile rapists and mass-murderers like Pinochet because they think it's rad to throw people out of helicopters for wanting a better world for the working class.
Fuck 'em. They think its fun and good and cool when marginalized people and the activists who stand up for them are killed. It's good when they die.
There's a piece of me that can't let go of the fact that she's still a human being. She got pumped full of hateful propoganda and charged in believing she was doing something good, and died for it. And it's an incredibly forceful response to shoot and kill someone in a situation like that, idk.
Am I crying over it? Not at all. She'd probably want to kill me and you and a lot of people we care about, she's a vet who thought breaching a door like that was a safe idea, she's also a vet, I could go on.
There's a nugget of empathy rattling around in me that keeps me from completely jumping up and down over this, maybe it's misguided, maybe because her beliefs aren't fully on display at that moment. It's an internal thing for me and I definitely won't scold anyone but you asked and I can kind of understand where those people are coming from.
Y'all need to fucking realize that not everyone wants to live in peace. You have enemies, and your enemies want to be your enemies. They like it. It gives them a sense of meaning and fulfillment. They will never see your common humanity because they do not want to.
They have agency. They have made choices. They have chosen to be fascists. Respect that choice, and hate them for it.
Believe me, I'm not forgetting who I'm talking about or the crowd she was with. The "maybe because her beliefs aren’t fully on display at that moment" part of my comment is something I've been chewing on a lot. If she got shot attacking someone on the street based on her same Q beliefs would I even be thinking about this? Probably not
She got pumped full of hateful propoganda and charged in believing she was doing something good, and died for it.
Given her career it's far more likely she was an agent provocateur than a true believer.
An agent provocateur wouldn't play chicken with a Secret Service officer that has a gun trained on her head. This is some really bewildering shit. Secret Service doesn't play games. She wasn't inciting other people to violence, she was leading the charge.
That's a very good point. We're even closer to collapse than I thought if the NSA or similar has true-believer fash on payroll.
*This comment kinda reads laughably naive if you think about Operation Paperclip or w/e, but those fash had handlers, were targeted at labor/red scare/whatever, etc. This seems different.
What makes you say that? Just curious, I just know she's an Air Force vet with 4? tours so the possibility she's just a veteran Q believer is higher than operative in my book, but if there's specifics to her career I'd like to learn about it
The news outlet that first broke her identity reported that she was a 'high level security official'.
In case you're not aware, 3 letter agencies pretty routinely deputize troops for intel work. I've known enlisted troops who worked for the NSA when they were active duty, so a 'high level security official' would almost certainly be one of those (haven't been able to find her rank but I'm kinda over digging any deeper considering it's all tabloid trash and lib rags doing the reporting). I saw some other tweets claiming she was a cop but those seemed dubious at best.
Are there authentically Q-pilled troops? Absolutely. Are there authentically Q-pilled cops? Absolutely. My argument is that the authentically Q-pilled troops doing intel work are outnumbered by agent provocateurs. The FBI's got folks on the 'kidnap Gretchen Whitmer' and 'bomb the Hoover Dam' plots but they don't have anyone on the ground yesterday? Seems far-fetched.
The Air Force is crammed full of Colorado Springs ultra-right wing Evangelical psychos. Like half the Air Force brass are apocalyptic death cult Evangelicals. It's a huge and notorious open secret.
A high level Air Force security goon is pretty much the core audience for Q-shit.
I'm over the rabbit hole, but I wasn't been able to find her rank or stateside bases, so I can't say for sure whether she went to AFA/did time in the Springs.
Either way, it's not like the San Diego air force crowd is much better, and there's a ton of cross-pollination.
I think any soldier that can be shown to have a pulse gets a free GWOT commendation.
Cool, I didn't catch that part of the news when I broke, and I'm aware of the deputization side of alphabet agencies. Reminding me about the FBI throwing up their hands and saying they had no idea etc has given me pause. Thanks for your response!
Persuasive counterpoint(s): an agent provocateur wouldn't be at the front of the line like that putting themselves in harms way, and the Air Force officer corps is full of end-times evangelicals who would be prime candidates for Q-pilling.
idk which is worse tbh
That's the 1 thing about it that made me scratch my head, I saw a different angle of it and the secret service people were plainly pointing guns at the door and yelling at people, climbing in like that flies in the face of basic military training no? But she was also in the Air Force, idk, and also just because she was trained doesn't mean she'll always make the right call
I thought it was pretty see through, and where she climbed through the glass was broken through, definitely enough for her to read the situation
Some people are willing to die for their convictions. Americans seem to have a really hard time understanding this lately, but there are (many) people in the world who are not dissuaded from pursuing their ideological goals even with death staring them in the face.
Yeah this is pretty much how I feel. I don't feel sympathetic for her, I don't think it was necessary to kill her. Libs are not going to make a distinction between rioting chud "anarchists" and leftists. I don't feel comfortable supporting the state murdering someone in a situation that, in my view, was not necessary, regardless of whether or not she would've killed me if she had the chance. That's not a precedent I want to set.
I have mixed feelings about it. In an abstract way, cop on cop violence is funny and I'm not gonna weep that a fascist died but also, watching someone die wasn't fun and ACAB even if their victim is a fascist.
I had no idea that triple quoting things was a dog whistle. I know triple parenthesis is but I've honestly never heard the triple quote thing. Regardless, my bad, I'll edit. Did not mean to use fash rhetoric.
watching someone die wasn’t fun
I think this is something we all have to desensitize ourselves to, for when the revolution comes.
I've been exposed to a lot of death and it's not something that'll ever not bother me tbh. It's hard to watch the life leave someone's eyes and not feel something, and I don't know that I want to be so desensitized that I can't even have even the most basic emotional response to it. I get that death is something we all have to confront but that doesn't mean I can't feel some level of sadness when I see someone die. I don't think you need to be a pacifist to think death is sad, ya know?
She was also a four tour air force veteran, imagine all the innocent people she dropped bombs on in the middle east and Africa. Not a single shred of sympathy from me.
So wtf did they do, just guard the planes or something? Imagine having such a bad job lmaooo
most people in the Air Force aren’t pilots, there are like a hundred jobs in the Air Force that isn’t being a pilot
Up until about 2005, there was a job in the Air Force where you worked in the base gym and cleaned/maintained the equipment, inflated and handed out basketballs, and... That was really about it. Six weeks of basic training and four weeks of "technical" training to inflate basketballs and sanitize weight machines. I think it was the same specialty code for cafeteria workers.
Edit: specialty code 3M0x1, "Services," and it's still around. I thought they all got permanently outsourced to independent contractors during Iraqi Freedom, because they kept sending non-essential people to get blown up by IEDs while escorting convoys, and they replaced a lot of them with contractors.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/air-force-enlisted-job-descriptions-3344336
The Airman Services Career Field 3M0X1 covers a wide variety of jobs for enlisted personnel; all centered on service operations. The core areas are broken into six paths: food service, lodging, fitness and sports, readiness, mortuary, and protocol.
A partial list of the responsibilities and locations of service jobs include:
- Food facilities operated with appropriated funds
- Transient and temporary lodging facilities
- Fitness, recreation, and sports programs and facilities
- Buying and managing equipment and supplies
- Ensuring contracted services maintain quality standards
- Training and overseeing the honor guard
- Mortuary affairs
- Training and supervising search and recovery teams
- Commissary resale
- Providing support for subsistence and exchange to deployed forces
- Protocol support
- Laundry services
- Force Support readiness programs
- Operates and supervises automated information management systems
Literally grocery clerks and morticians for the American empire.
Air Force pigs mostly hang around the base's front gates and check the reference placard to ensure that the vehicles coming in are not, in fact, tanks. If they see a tank, they have to call their supervisor to have them call their supervisor, who then calls the Army.
Oh, and they give speeding tickets to people for doing 26 in a 25 on base (stateside). Picture an angsty, barely-literate 18 year old with a radar gun, a loaded M-16, and a bone to pick because he's pissed off that he's stuck in fucking North Dakota, and you get the idea. At least it's directed at other troops, but ACAB definitely still applies, and they are usually still frothing dipshits when they get out of the military because they got blueballed out of shooting anyone for four years.
So I went through some of her social media and what struck me is that a lot of the things she yelled about in videos were inherent contradictions of capitalism. The problem is she got snookered by opportunists selling fascism and conspiracy theories. I am sad for that. I am sad that someone fell to the disinformation so hard they LARPed themselves to death.
Yeah, thats how fascism works. It channels, jiu jitsu's even, justifiable rage at a liberal capitalist order.
Its fucking amazing. I see so much of my family falling for the same thing, just not nearly as hard or fast. I've spent so much of my life just being fucking angry about it and lashing out, and now that I'm trying to actually reach out and teach, it feels like its too late.
So I guess I'm not sad this lady died. I'm sad cuz this could easily be someone I know that I didn't try to educate and instead just yelled at and called them a racist chud or whatever.
Hey, don't be hard on yourself. Those years you were lashing out, you were holding on to the truth the best you knew how. Now you have a different approach. When we look back and cringe at things in our past, it's because we've grown beyond them. So congrats! Anything you learn from is not a mistake.
Certain left-wing podcasters are being very annoying about this. I get not wanting to in any way encourage the police state, but I'm not gonna get mad at anyone celebrating the death of a fucking Nazi, and actually this kind of friendly fire is extremely funny.
If the pigs are gonna kill someone it should at least be other pigs
You don't have to sympathize with her to think the killing was wrong, and indicative of bad things.
If you can handle it, watch the video of the shooting. She was unarmed, attacking nobody, and killed without any warning for trying to climb through a broken window. Police made absolutely no attempt to subdue her using non-lethal force. I don’t care if she was a Qanon psycho vet any more than I care about the potential criminal/drug use history of anyone else executed by the pigs. All that matters is that in isolation; it was murder, and nothing else.
Moreover; it’s a bit disturbing seeing Radlibs justify that shooting by adopting the exact same talking points used to justify the police killings of so many others. As though the act of committing any crime automatically entitles agents of the state to shoot you dead. You can even saw plenty of r/politics Libs say things like “win stupid prizes” in response.
I have a take on this similar to Matt Christman’s one on Ruby Ridge. Just because someone can be seen as a ‘bad person’ who believes ‘bad ideas’ doesn’t mean one should defend unjustifiable killings of them by a infinitely worse state apparatus.
Ruby Ridge is incomparable to this.
She's a psycho fascist who died attacking the US Capitol. That's it. I have no sympathy for her, I'm glad she's fucking dead.
edit; Agree it's indicative of bad things. All of yesterday is going to lead to awful awful things.
She was a veteran aka someone trained and employed to do violence against enemies of the state.
And then she decided to stand against the state and didn't think that the state would react against her.
This is just stupid.
I'm sorry, I respect some of your point of view for sure, but I watched that on the livestream at the time, have seen the footage again several times including stabilised and synced from multiple angles, and I honestly don't understand how anyone could expect anything different from what happened in moment.
She's part of a mob storming the capital building. Some of the mob was armed. There were reports of explosive devices being found at the RNC & DNC. Lawmakers and staff were still being evacuated from the building and the person who shot her is clearly a Secret Service agent.
The Secret Service has barricaded that door, the agent had his gun drawn for ages, and was presumably only there as opposed to with whoever's detail he was on to hold some sort of perimeter.
There was lots of shouts to stay back from both sides of the doors with cops and Trump people literally pulling others back to stop them trying to get through the broken windows and get themselves shot. She ignores them and goes through and the Secret Service agent shoots her before she's on basically right on top of them.
It's absolutely the fault of the cops for not getting a handle on the situation, even encouraging it, and not stopping her from going through, but if you're the Secret Service agent and your entire job is to make sure the crowd doesn't breach that door to protect the most powerful people in the country the fact that the regular cops aren't doing anything is going to make you more likely to shoot, not less, because you don't see another option.
And to be clear, I don't accept the state's monopoly on violence, I don't feel sorry for the Secret Service agent, I don't even really care about the ghouls he was there to protect, and I don't ever want to see unarmed people gunned down whether it's by drooling frontline pigs or members of the secret service.
But this was exactly the worst case scenario that the secret service exist and are trained for. The idea that it was going to or could have played out any other way seems absurd to me.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, but this whole thing is obviously an awful clusterfuck and I didn't want to post some short reply that seemed glib like some of the attitudes you mentioned in your post.
without any warning
Cop had a gun out and pointed in her direction for several seconds before firing. There was some warning, a warning that a person of color would have never got.
That doesn't justify anything, but we don't need to begin twisting the facts in favor of fascists.
You're a true leftist and by that metric let the record show that I must be a fucking lib
call me a cop apologist but the dude gave her so much leniency that he only shot her when she was about to run zombie style at a bunch of the boojiest booj
if she was black she would have been dead 2 hours prior to that
Can't we be apathetic towards her death, but still think police shouldn't have the power to merc whoever they wish whenever they wish? I think a lot of people are confusing this with that. Like fuck those literal nazis, but also fuck 13
Look I get not being thrilled, but what you're seeing is performance. "I am the one true leftist, who feels empathy for all souls"
I'm not saying much that hasn't been said here, but after these people will gleefully lie through their teeth about george floyd overdosing, or how they clap at the cops gassing protesters, or how they share every story about a black youth getting shot with "Shouldve complied!!" I can't bring myself to feel any sympathy for these people.
