I never said it was about wiping out his own uniquely existence. And I didn't ignore half of what you said I agree with most of it and didn't feel the need to repeatedly agree.

If I'm so objectively wrong then you're very much just as wrong since we agreed so much. Heck I even agree it's his desire to live that would convince him to consent, because he does in my scenario.

It almost like your wanted to argue. You need to relax it's a show meant to be enjoyed. I simply made the case that a new avenue was available and it could have opened the doors to more. I get you disagree. But no reason to be upset.

I don't think I'll be crossing paths with you again, this reminded me too much of reddit so I'll be leaving this server. Thank you.

Then, even though there wasn't a clone, Janeway was in the right.

100% she was perfectly justified.

As far as killing a sentient being - I'm not sure a sedated existence counts as an existence much less a sentient one.

No, that is not the argument and has never been the argument.

We simply disagree on this. The argument is exactly whether or not the life of Tuvix is worth the cost of two lives... sure other arguments are presented as with any dilemma but it boils down to the value of the two crew mates. Janeway absolutely has every right to ensure the lives of her crew. So while it was addressed directly in the episode it was one of the weaker dilemmas of the show. As captiaiher priority is always her crew, Tuvix was not her crew. I am not sure why you seem to disagree but we will have to end it there.

No, I'm saying by the time of Voyager this teleporter clone technology could very well have been figured out. It seems a wasted opportunity to not take advantage of that storyline and open up anyone more ethical dilemmas.

There is no situation in which you can put it into practice and have it be a solution to the problem.

I see absolutely no reason why not.

You will not get his consent. Ever. He doesn't want to die.

I can't imagine why he wouldn't be in favor of the plan, especially since he is half Vulcan. It's a very logical solution to the issue.

Just because you clone someone doesn't mean that logically they're going to go "Oh, well I guess, I can die if it means that another version of me lives."

Again I see absolutely no reason not to.

He was acting on a survival instinct. He's not going to override that just because there's a clone.

There's no reason he'd have to...

Which means you must still make the decision that Janeway made. You STILL MUST decide whether to kill Tuvix or let him live.

Of course, but this way they can all coexist. I see it as an absolute win win for everyone.

apart because you're back to the same argument that was made at the start.

I definitely disagree. The argument/dilemma is inclusive of the cost of Tuvix, my solution preserves Tuvix. I'm not sure you understand what I'm proposing or are just not accepting that in this case there is no real death of anyone.

Simply sedate Tuvix, do the clone, do the split and revive whichever Tuvix is left. And now all three exist simultaneously and all that's lost to all of them is a case of missing time.

Do you have the right to execute one man to save the lives of two others?

When you can simultaneously preserve the life, absolutely!

The Riker example was just one of many wasn't it? The "transporter clone" trope has been around since StarTrek: The Original Series when Captain Kirk was replicated by accident. As well as recent trek canon when Boimler was replicated on StarTrek: Lower Decks.

From an in-universe perspective, given the numerous transporter accidents throughout Starfleet's history, it would seem logical that Starfleet would invest resources into understanding these anomalies to prevent unintended duplications or other mishaps. Transporter technology is complex and interacts with a myriad of environmental conditions, which might explain why these accidents, while rare in the context of all transport operations, still happen occasionally.

Voyager could have taken the next steps and introduced a new level of control over the technology by relying on Starfleet, had it thoroughly investigated and understood these incidents. I don't see why they might not have developed protocols or technologies to recreate such anomalies intentionally. This could have provided Captain Janeway with an additional solution to the Tuvix dilemma.

Also as for which to kill, that would of course be up to Tuvix - which without his consent this would be moot. The logical one I suppose would be the original Tuvix only to lower the number of possible variables in the "separation."

I figured I'd throw my opinion in the mix. "Star Trek: Voyager" might have missed an opportunity to address the Tuvix dilemma by not considering a solution presented in "Star Trek: The Next Generation." Specifically, given the transporter's ability to duplicate individuals as seen in Second Chances" where the incident produced two Rikers. Captain Janeway could have potentially cloned Tuvix (with his knowledge and consent of course) and then reversed the merging process on one of them. This would allow both Tuvix and the separated Tuvok and Neelix to coexist.