They are definitely misremembering. The Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come always appears in the final act and shows Tiny Tim's death, so yeah - the most likely thing they're remembering is that part & they completely forgot the last like 20 minutes of whatever film they watched.

all arguments can be solved by watching The Muppets Christmas Carol

Cool, like I said - I don't think any normal Hexbear is going to have a problem with this.

I have always respected you & the rest of the team for volunteering your personal time & arguably mental health to administrate this site so I won't continue airing my personal grievances with this and will wait for the next update from y'all (which is funny because I don't think I've ever actually made a Dunk or Dredge post & was quite vocal about rule-breaking posts after the notability rule was introduced) but can I say that banning @REgon@hexbear.net & a few others like @Aradina@lemmy.ml and (@morte@hexbear.net - who were in this thread adding valid criticism (especially when it comes to the misgendering/transphobia by the mod team on the previous post) and telling them to take a break is pretty shitty?

I get you're in a tough position - you haven't even been back officially for a week (afaik) and you're having to deal with arguably the biggest struggle session we've had since you left - but I don't think either 3 of those users should've been temp banned and to tell them to 'take a break' honestly is kinda irritating. This will probably sound harsh, but I think the moderators & admin team need to come to a decision on whether they want to be the user-base's babysitters or they want to be the enforcers of the actual rules of the site/comm.

Temp banning someone who arguably is one of the most justified users to be up and down this thread angry at the moderators but never actually made any insults or flew off the handle & giving a reason like "go take a break", "come back when you're not mad", or "sorry to disappoint" may work when you're talking to a child about watching the next episode of Blue's Clues, but to say that to a long-standing user (Morte has been here since the inception of the site, Aradina has been posting from .ml for over a year) when they voice disappointment with seeing how you've banned another user? Come on - I think the entire team, who again I do genuinely respect for volunteering their time and effort, should be better than that. No one even tried to make a comment like "Hey can you chill out or you're gonna catch a temp ban" but I understand why that wasn't done, it would've been seen as ridiculous and likely set them off given again - none of them were being inflammatory or insulting..

Don't really expect a reply for this - just felt like it would be wrong if I didn't point this out before logging out for a bit.

The modlog literally does not include the comms for any post, removed, locked or otherwise and cannot be searched by reason or otherwise, so telling someone "go look in the modlog" is - in my opinion - unhelpful as hell to any justification the mod/admin team is making about any comm or the site culture as a whole. Like I said in my original post, my intent is obviously not to downplay any actual misogyny, chauvinism, etc but to close two of the most popular comms for such things - I would expect you (i.e. the admin/mod team) to at least have some sort of screenshots or links to a handful of posts highlighting the issue.

How many transphobic posts do you see nowadays

Very few because of the mod team - but should we shut down Chapotraphouse, Main, and every other comm because someone might make a transphobic or misogynistic comment or post??

The justification just doesn't make sense to me.

I’ve heard whispers on the wind about the state of Hexbear – telling me that while things have massively improved for trans people, there is still work to be done in the chauvinism, misogyny, and overall toxicity departments.

What IS the source of the problem then, in your view? Should we just ban the words cocksucker, bitch, and twat since those were quite literally the reason the first two comments & post I found in the modlog, like 8 pages in, were removed for misogyny/homophobia?? It just seems like this is, like many have already said, the team intentionally being vague when really - from the 15 pages of the modlog I've looked through while writing this reply - it seems like this is a war on gendered words/insults, even if they aren't being used as such. Why would you (again, the admin/mod team) just not say that outright literally two posts ago instead of claiming it is 'cis het male behavior'??

I don't think any normal Hexbear would have a problem with any of the above words being banned. It shouldn't even really be a huge mod issue anyways, given we had - and still do have to my knowledge - a filter that will literally replace unallowed words in comments but what do I know

This post has mentioned chauvinistic, misogynistic, and toxic tendencies three times but provided literally no examples of such - nor did Carcosa's original post. I am not trying to say that these things have never existed or never will exist in posts/comments on my beloved Hexbear nor am I saying that you (or any other admin/mod) should have to provide examples of literally any/everything TC69 - but I am begging you to actually provide some legitimate examples because otherwise this just sounds like the same "we don't want the dunk tank because white cishet male behavior" justification that everyone was like to

what the fuck if you're not doing Wind > Bow you're literally deranged. That's called synergy. Lightning > Bow, I see the vision but no.

It should be:

Fire > Whip (I'm imagining the flame happens at the whip's end)

Water > Spear (The force of a wave, projected into the spear's point)

Wind > Bow (Fantasy gun duh)

Earth > Shield (A wall of stone to protect & defend. Assuming this magic doesn't impart the weight necessarily but the defensive properties)

Thunder > Claws (Fantasy taser)

Poison > Dagger (I'm assuming you're carrying a dagger cause you're prone to flying off the handle anyways so why not ensure your victim really suffers)

Ice > Knuckles (Brrr)

Nature > Hammer (The power of a bear in each strike)

Light > Sword (Most famous swords are said to have the power of light. Righteous causes and all that. Why not I'm a weeb)

Darkness > Axe (Show me the champion of light...I'll show you the Herald of Darkness)

it's a good comm Vegeta

You've locked The Dunk & Dredge Tanks???? And where did that bring you...back to me?

literally there's at least like 5 different outdoor cats that lurk in this complex it is an epidemic but unsurprisingly they get treats/food from more than 2 different people and EVEN I HAVE BEEN SWINDLED INTO KEEPING A BAG OF CHICKEN TEMPTATION CAT TREATS ON MY COUNTER FOR THEM BECAUSE ONE OF THEM LIKES TO FOLLOW ME FROM MY CAR TO MY DOOR

(daddy shadow and babby shadow)

(My favorite she is adorable but very skittish so the fact I was able to get this close up picture of her was very pleasing even though she ran when I tried to pet)

(deadbeat dad I swear he has fathered at least 2 of the other cats)

Everyone I don't like is a chauvinist - even if they have historically never been chauvinist in the 4+ years they've been posting on this site. (to my knowledge at least - but I'm sure there's probably some sus comment here or there that wasn't intended as chauvinist but can be read as such)

I'm begging you to you are DAMAGING your brain.

holy shit you are awful lol & have been up and down this thread in multiple accounts posting this kind of shit. Is this the typical kind of opinion we can expect from the 'anti-dunking' vanguard moving forward??? Just wondering!

We know what the big guys do and think and this point. I find the weird shit the rank and file believe and say endlessly fascinating

Oh yeah for sure and the smaller accounts can absolutely be a window into their kind of delusion/thinking - which is why I am in support of keeping both Dunk & Dredge, they absolutely have their uses and shouldn't be just closed because "white cis culture" or whatever the underlying reason of the mod team is really.

I love our mods/admin team but this is honestly shit lmao.

I will be calling anyone I see dunking/shitposting/having any fun on this site a white cishet cracker from now on thank you.

Remember "bad guy bit accounts" when we had like civility and neera_tanden and all those other bit accounts where they just posted and argued while larping as annoying liberals or chuds? We grew out of that, and I think the site is better for it. We still have bit accounts, but there's not really that kind of arguing in the comments anymore.

LOL what users were legitimately arguing with @Civility@hexbear.net or @neera_tanden@hexbear.net??? I'm sorry but if we still have the Chapo comm, it's kinda insane to point at bit accounts and be like "THIS is the site culture we're trying to move away from".

Not at all - I just don't personally think it is really worth it/productive to throw some small account's tweets/posts into the dunktank; becomes a whole "are we dunking on this person to dunk on their objectively incorrect opinions/beliefs, or are we dunking on them specifically because OP saw their tweet and didn't like it?".

I personally was a big supporter of the 'must be famous/notable' rule at its inception specifically because I want to dunk on someone who I'm actually aware of, like any politician or 'famous' person, - not some random user who probably is 14 years old and just being edgy.

ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=telKFaTvQqU

he's fucking taken?!?!

(he'd do this to goku's pregnant ass trying to guilt trip him in his hospital bed)

I would even argue that most Hexbears do not even read/participate in high-effort posts. 90% of the Top Posts from the last 3 months are all from the Chapotraphouse comm and DunkTank, with a random main or news post thrown in there. News is actually probably more active than Chat/Mutual Aid when you look at popular posts over time like that, but I can't find a legitimate capital e Effort post in the first 3 pages of the Top 3/6/9 months.

High effort posts come naturally as a consequence of discussion often originating in lower effort threads.

That's right.