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The last years of the Donetsk conflict have seen double-digits civilian casualties. There were about 2000 in the first year, then there was exponential decline.
Have you compared recent pictures of Donetsk with Mariopol or Bakhmut? I'll give you a hint: One is still standing. If Ukraine wanted to it could easily flatten Donetsk, it's in artillery range. A million Russian-speaking inhabitants, if Ukrainians are so genocidal why don't they just go for it?
Russia killed more civilians in the first months of the 2022 invasion that died overall in Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014. A fuckton of those Russian-speaking (like in e.g. Mariopol). Russia abducted more children than died in the "people's republics".
In other words: Shut the fuck up with your "Ukraine is shelling Russian-speaking Ukrainians" bullshit. Either you're severely misinformed, or a straight-up Putin bot.
And with that in mind: Do you seriously think that the proper way to react to an invasion, an invasion which comes with near uncountable human rights abuses and disregard for the civilian population, to react to that with "Oh, since you're asking so nicely Russia, here, have a cookie"? No. Fuck that, fuck you, and fuck everything you believe in.
People take PCs, jewellery, and smartphones with them when fleeing. You usually leave the toilet behind.