Maybe I phrased it badly too. I'm sorry for the way I engaged. I was just trying to say that they're specific as in not generic. There's specific theory there, and I thought you were saying that being disillusioned makes one see things that Hexbear folks do immediately, and I was trying to say that there's an intermediate step of theory and radicalization, but it seems we're on the same page on that and I spoke too quickly.

Every single one of us is one little disillusionment away from holding the same or similar views as any person from Hexbear

This seems silly to me. The opinions held by Hexbear at large are very specific, and one little disillusionment doesn't suddenly make you a communist. Just because your views line up with Hexbear already and you feel like you are on the precipice of going "full leftist" doesn't mean everyone is. Hexbear isn't the Joker, there's no "one bad day" that will make you into a hexbear.

A Hexbear user literally made this post, I think they're allowed to talk in it.

For what it's worth, you can always report remote posts. Reports get sent to the remote community, which will help them because Hexbear takes transphobia really seriously, but reports also get sent to your local instance admin. It's a good way to help your admins get a sense for what's going on on other instances, and then either set of staff can remove it.

I stand with you on this, Hexbear. I don't understand why this is the thing that people are going with, especially on a trans instance like this. Hexbear is so obviously queer and so aggressively supportive.

But their ideology has been consistent for the years they've been completely isolated from the Fediverse. It doesn't make sense that they would be trolls trolling no one but themselves for years with consistent ideology and rhetoric.

What makes you think they're pretending to be communists?

Leftists use the term liberal to refer to people who are moderates, e.g. the Democrats rather than the communists. Liberals often hold some progressive ideals, but ultimately believe it should happen within the context of capitalism and our existing systems.

Hexbear hates on liberals a lot, but they're hating on them because they're not progressive enough. It's not a right wing thing.

Not quite what I mean. I don't think Hexbear is comparable to the Donald at all. They may be rude, but they're a hell of a lot less hateful. I was just saying that they already are what they are, whatever you consider that to be.

I just thought it was weird that you were saying "they're trying to make a leftist version of the Donald" and "we have to call them out before it takes hold" like they're not already here and in force. The problems we're having right now descend from the just how established they are as a community, and the Federation isn't as established yet, so there's a lot of friction and no one quite knows how to handle the other.

There's no conspiracy here, it's just culture shock.

They're not "trying to make" anything, Hexbear is one of the oldest and most established Lemmy servers out there. They've been around longer than either of our instances.

What do you mean by disingenuous? I feel like they've been very upfront with their political views, to the point of causing problems with how upfront they are.

TGCJ is fine, but TGCJ culture stays in TGCJ spaces because outside of TGCJ, it's just transphobia. I get that that place is great for people, and I respect its right to exist and have no problem with the people in it, but I don't want to be confronted with TGCJ memes every time I log into my safe space.

That's kinda how I feel about Hexbear's behavior so far. My understanding is that Hexbear has a very supportive culture, and that their "dunking" happens in the context of being supportive of their own? But that's not what we see out here. Out here it just seems like they're toxic and hostile, and even as someone who ostensibly should feel left unity with them I just feel alienated.

Maybe it's my fault for not being familiar enough with their meme culture. But at the same time, they should be making more of an effort to be aware of what space they're in and the fact that they're in community now, and not everywhere has the same norms.

That said, I still am glad we're not defederating. The admin team over there seems to be making headway, and I think we should let them try to improve before we cut them off preemptively. My hope is that the culture shock will pass with time.

I think mandatory pronoun marking is a bad thing in IRL spaces, but in online spaces it's probably less of a big deal, especially when neopronouns or even None is an acceptable answer.

Hexbear is... a lot. It really does feel like they swarmed the last thread. I wish there were a way to lock threads to the local instance.

They seem to really take glee in harassment of "liberals". Their justification of "if we are harassing you you deserve it" doesn't hold a lot of water for me, because they seem to harass anyone who doesn't think the exact same way as them. I certainly get the hostility towards liberals, but while that's all well and good in their little quarantine zone over there now that they're in the larger Threadiverse their whole "dunking on libs" thing just makes lemmy an exhausting place to be.

And then they turn around and mock everyone for being bothered by their hostility. I want to like Hexbear, but I'm not sure whether they're good federationmates.

I hope we don't have to defed, but if Ada decides to it'll certainly be earned.

Glad to get clarification, I wasn't sure if you'd given an explanation anywhere.

Ada took issue with their politics it seems.

I don't think I'd describe hexbear as polite, they seem to get pretty rowdy, even antagonistic at times. Otherwise I agree though. It would be a shame to cut off one of the largest queer friendly instances out there.

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But it's probably because the admins of lemmy.ml are Marxist-Leninists who also run Lemmygrad, an ML instance. They mostly keep their ML stuff to Lemmygrad, but there's been some controversy about banning people with anti-China views from lemmy.ml

Could be some other reason but that's the main reason people avoid lemmy.ml that I know of.

It's ironic this went down over adorableporn and not fauxbait